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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 03:22 AM
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Rapid City Journal. 7/23/2009
South Dakota Highway Patrol announces sobriety checkpoints next month in the following counties. Custer, Lawrence and Pennington counties. Can also go to: actcivilized.com for details.
 
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by e6fmf
Rapid City Journal. 7/23/2009
South Dakota Highway Patrol announces sobriety checkpoints next month in the following counties. Custer, Lawrence and Pennington counties. Can also go to: actcivilized.com for details.

WOW!!!I cant believe the cops would DARE put up sobriety checkpoints during the years largest congregation of drunks in that area...simply amazing!!!
The 'AUDACITY' of them!!!
 
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Great, they break the law to make sure we don't.

Where is the "Reasonable Suspicion" we are pulled over for?

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
 
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Originally Posted by Eyeball Kid
Great, they break the law to make sure we don't.

Where is the "Reasonable Suspicion" we are pulled over for?

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Nice quote..only VEHICLE is missing...
 
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackDenimBob
Nice quote..only VEHICLE is missing...
"Like many other areas of American law, the Fourth Amendment finds its roots in English legal doctrine"

Vehicle ma be *MISSING*... but so is barn, garage, workshop, poolhouse, ect...

Hence; "And Effects..."
 
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Eyeball Kid
"Like many other areas of American law, the Fourth Amendment finds its roots in English legal doctrine"

Vehicle ma be *MISSING*... but so is barn, garage, workshop, poolhouse, ect...

Hence; "And Effects..."
When was the last time you drove a "barn, garage, workshop, poolhouse, ect..." down a PUBLIC road?...
 
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Originally Posted by Eyeball Kid
Great, they break the law to make sure we don't.

Where is the "Reasonable Suspicion" we are pulled over for?

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Actually the US Supreme Court has ruled that sobriety check points are legal as long as they publish there time and locations before hand giving the drivers the option of using those roads or not. That is why you saw the article, and as the dates approach they will list the actual time and locations of said stops. That being said I agree they are bull.
 
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 06:03 AM
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I guess if you don't drive over the legal blow limit you should have nothing to worry about.
 
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Originally Posted by xFreebirdx
I guess if you don't drive over the legal blow limit you should have nothing to worry about.
Yeah! And if you do not have any illegal substances in your house you should not mind random home searches!

OK, I will be serious. The Supreme Court said this was legal, but in my opinion they are wrong , but that darn Justice Scalia never answers my email or takes my phone calls though so I have to assume he does not care about my opinion.
If one took their opinion out to its logical conclusion random traffic stops without cause would be OK as well, but they are not. The area I live in has extended this out to "safety checks" that they use during the day sometimes as well. Meaning they are suppose to be checking for seatbelts etc, but in reality it is an excuse to demand a citizens "papers". I can tell you from experience your best bet is just to answer their questions and not be a smart ***, and yes, I did learn this through experience. I would not tell the officer where I was going or where I had been and I would not answer any other questions other than giving my name and address. That cost me an hour on the side of the road debating about them searching my car
 

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I am not advocating drunk driving, but my take on this entire mess is this. If you cause a wreck, what difference does it make how you caused it? If I rear end you while not having my full attention to my driving not much is going to happen. If I rear end you and cause the same damage but have been drinking, well all hell is going to break loose.
I feel that the penalty should be the same for the same result. Regardless of how you arrived at that result.
There was a kid that killed three people while text messaging, his penalty. He was on Oprah saying how bad text messaging was. Try and get that penalty if you had a drink.
 



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