Sobriety Checkpoints
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So in essence you are saying that nothing should be done up to the point the DD kills someone? It should only be addressed AFTER they injure or kill another? So then it would be fine to just stand idly by and get punched in the face only to react AFTER the blow is landed?
Legally you couldn't do anything but walk away up until that first punch...
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Oh yah, 15 seconds of inconvenience in the interest of saving the lives of innocent people is enough for you to take up arms. That's what I wanna die for. For God's sake, get a freaking life.
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Here's some more info. Interesting website, claims being forced to get a drivers license is unconstitutional as well.
http://irwinschiff.homestead.com/CasesTraffic.html
http://irwinschiff.homestead.com/CasesTraffic.html
It appears he is not a reliable source...
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From: Dogtown, Oakland, CA
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You guys are getting off the point.
Point being......sobriety checkpoints, and the right of the police to stop you to see if you have done something wrong, versus having probable cause by your INDIVIDUAL actions which bring their attention.
In short "fishing" for a lawbreaker, versus ACTIONS by an individual which brings probable cause.
I can tell you, that I do, in fact find it harrassment to detain me from my comings and goings, when I have done nothing wrong.
It's scary how some can say it's okay, and not see that once you give an inch, they can take a mile....all in the intrests of protecting you from yourself.
~Joe
Point being......sobriety checkpoints, and the right of the police to stop you to see if you have done something wrong, versus having probable cause by your INDIVIDUAL actions which bring their attention.
In short "fishing" for a lawbreaker, versus ACTIONS by an individual which brings probable cause.
I can tell you, that I do, in fact find it harrassment to detain me from my comings and goings, when I have done nothing wrong.
It's scary how some can say it's okay, and not see that once you give an inch, they can take a mile....all in the intrests of protecting you from yourself.
~Joe
Last edited by dogtownmax; Jul 23, 2009 at 08:03 PM.
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If you have nothing to hide then you won't mind if we search your home and belongings.
Yea, 1930's Germany. That was a favorite line of the Geherenstadtpolizi, more commonly known as the Gestapo.
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Yea, 1930's Germany. That was a favorite line of the Geherenstadtpolizi, more commonly known as the Gestapo.
AP
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So in essence you are saying that nothing should be done up to the point the DD kills someone? It should only be addressed AFTER they injure or kill another? So then it would be fine to just stand idly by and get punched in the face only to react AFTER the blow is landed?
Same result, should be the same punishment.