Sobriety Checkpoints
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Just because the state claims it's not a right, does not mean it's true.
The government calls it a privilege, so they can take away your rights.
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Nice speech but the Forefathers had nothing to do with the so called rights under discussion. They were largely a modern invention of an activist Supreme Court in the 60s. Prior to that it was quite normal, legal and Constitutional for police to engage in completely routine car stops and detentions, practices much more intrusive than the regulated and monitored sobriety checkpoints we're "oppressed" by today.
Last edited by jimmers1817; Jul 23, 2009 at 05:40 PM.
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TSA
Guess I can decide not to go into my government institutions and museums too. Empty pockets, search packages, briefcases, etc. Of the horror of it all. It's time for a new Revolution. For the Forefathers sake.
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The same Supreme Court that states "in a majority opinion that sobriety checkpoints are justified because the states interest in reducing drunk driving outweighs the minor infringement on an individuals rights."
THAT Supreme Court?
Back to the driving is a "right" issue huh? And not to be confused with the seperate issue of DUI Checkpoints. Just want to make sure we're talking about two different things here.
So, what makes it a "right"? Do you have some knowledge of something that gives you that right? Where does that right come from? It's not in the Constitution. I looked.
Maybe you feel you can make up your own "rights", regardless of what everyone else feels? That's an interesting concept. And the prisons are filled with people that felt they were just exercising their "rights" when they were arrested for all kinds of different things.
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OK, back to the checkpoints...
Where is the "Reasonable Suspicion" we are pulled over for?
Oh, "an exception was justified", so the Supreme Court claims?
That is quite simply gov sticking up for gov.
Anyone without puppet strings knows DUI checkpoints are not legal.
Even WITH the Supreme Court exception.
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You guys are getting off the point.
Point being......sobriety checkpoints, and the right of the police to stop you to see if you have done something wrong, versus having probable cause by your INDIVIDUAL actions which bring their attention.
In short "fishing" for a lawbreaker, versus ACTIONS by an individual which brings probable cause.
I can tell you, that I do, in fact find it harrassment to detain me from my comings and goings, when I have done nothing wrong.
It's scary how some can say it's okay, and not see that once you give an inch, they can take a mile....all in the intrests of protecting you from yourself.
~Joe
Point being......sobriety checkpoints, and the right of the police to stop you to see if you have done something wrong, versus having probable cause by your INDIVIDUAL actions which bring their attention.
In short "fishing" for a lawbreaker, versus ACTIONS by an individual which brings probable cause.
I can tell you, that I do, in fact find it harrassment to detain me from my comings and goings, when I have done nothing wrong.
It's scary how some can say it's okay, and not see that once you give an inch, they can take a mile....all in the intrests of protecting you from yourself.
~Joe
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I am not advocating drunk driving, but my take on this entire mess is this. If you cause a wreck, what difference does it make how you caused it