He never said he wanted more laws - he said he missed his dad. Everybody here has lost somebody in a car wreck you whiner but they understand trying to penalize the world is infantile - grow a pair.

 

Wrong.

I have stated - prosecute the crap out of the guilty.

Was the driver prosecuted? What was the penalty? Did he have priors?

Had the driver seen someone he knew be prosecuted and penalized strongly enough BEFORE he chose to drink and drive he very well may have made a wiser decision and your loved one would still be here.

Setting up checkpoints do not offer a substantial enough deterrent to prevent others from endangering lives by drinking and driving.

This is not a case of "not getting it" - this is a case of "do something that actually works instead of trying to appease the general public"

 

Damm good thing not everyone thinks like you otherwise you would not be afforded the protection that the Military provides. I guess we could do away with **** Tests and let the Potheads protect you!

Sorry to hijack but had to say something. If you feel the need to take that stand, I am here to protect your freedom to do so!

 

Umm, it worked in Nam.......jus' sayin.

Ok we didn't exactly win that one but it wasn't because of the troops. It was the politicians.

 

+1 on that!

 

Perfect example - thanks

So everyone that disagrees with being subjected to RANDOM drug tests is a pothead? Guess again.

What about all the Military personel that know enough about drug tests to be sure they load up real good on cocaine on Friday night just in case they are tested sometime the next week - since that won't show up after 72 hours.

I feel much better knowing the young folks in our Military can go on a cocaine or meth binge for 24 hours since the chances of getting caught are MUCH lower than if they smoke a joint on Friday night.

 

Well they are never published by time and location here. At most around certain hollidays they say in the paper in maybe one sentence that there will be various checkpoints in the county and state. No actual time, date, or location. The only way you know about them is when you get stuck in a long line of traffic waiting or by word of the mouth from someone who did.

Because it's the way they go about it. No one should ever give up their liberties just for something like this, especially when it doesn't work that well.

Exactly, if you don't answer then he can just make up whatever the hell he wants to. It doesn't matter. He can say he smelled something and boom you are done. I'm the same way though.

You don't think millions of people see the carnage or go through the entire ordeal? Most people have someone or multiple people in their life who have been killed or injured like that, many have seen it because of their job or just happened to stumble upon it. Look at the media, it's always shown in detail on there.

Hell a few years back there was a drunk driver here who hit a telephone pole, which cause the pole to fall, as it fell there was a couple on a harley riding by and the wires caught him in the neck and decapetated him, and caught her just below the shoulders and sliced through her like a hot knife through butter. I'll be damned if the news didn't show the poor mans head in his helmet laying on the side of the road. Pictures were all through the paper, etc.

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin.

Our forefathers fought so hard for these rights and now people like you are willing to up and give them away. Once you give away one, they start taking more and more.

Look at the last administration.

It's American to not give up your rights and to fight for them. It's unAmerican to submit those rights because of other people drinking and driving.

I'm sorry about your losses but if you think you are the only person to go through it you are mistaken. Millions and millions of people go through it everyday, but in no way should you ever be willing to give up your rights for anything in this world!

You want to give up your rights, just move to China then. I'm sure with their billions and billions of people, they have less drunk driving deaths and cases than us.

It's just one downside to having those rights and freedoms. I bet you can't find anyone you know or a random person who hasn't been affected by drunk driving.

You have the idea on rights, no one should give up their rights to anyone for any reason.

Walk a mile in anyone's shoes. Like I said before, you want to give up some rights, just go to China and walk in their shoes. You'll have less drunk driving, but there goes every other right you once had. There goes your free speech.

+1

I've lost more people than I can count to incidents like this, but it's part of being free. For every positive there is a negative, every action an equal and opposite reaction. I can't call on 2 of my best friends, I can't call on a lot of people close to me. Quit acting like you are so self righteous.

+1, a little misworded but very close.

And not to be negative but to add to your observation. My observations add that there is a larger majority of women who do this, and a larger amount of women who do the stupid crap on the roadway. I don't know what it is but the majority of stupid acts, cell phones, wrecks, violations I have seen while on bikes is done by women.

How the hell did the bible come into this? Since when does the bible grant laws and freedoms? You got me on the one Dannyboy.

Anything we own is considered a privilege really besides arms. We are granted the right to life, liberty, and property.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Doesn't this abridge a privilege as a citizen? Do we not have the privilege to drive our own property on public property (that we payed for and built) without being held, possibly searched, harassed, arrested, etc.? I could see if an officer observed you driving unsafely and proceeded to take action, but stopping every vehicle or every 3rd car, etc. just to see if you are driving sober?

What about numerous people arrested for being argumentative even though they were in no way breaking the law, especially since they are looking for drunk drivers? Last time I checked it's not illegal to drive while being a smartass?

Sobriety check points are FAR from effective. The last statistics in the country was that 1/3 of 1% of the people checked at sobriety points last year were arrested for drunk driving. 1/3 of 1%!!!

How cost effective does that seem to you? Let's stop say 10 million people, only 3,300 are guilty of drunk driving.

It's more of a nuisance than effective. It's just as much of a waste of tax payers money as everything else the government does "for our own good."

I hear ya.

DUI once and put in prison and loss of driving for life? How about cruel and excessive punishment. Maybe if they kill someone while DUI, but not just DUI alone.

We already have more people in prison than the rest of the world, we have stupid convictions, overcrowding, etc. yeah...this is rreeeeaaallllyyy going to help. Let's just put more people in prison.

More is lost than gained. See earlier reply.

See past replies.

When you fly you are using a private business. That private business has the right to implement whatever they want or need to, just like schools and other workplaces. You choose to use their business so you must submit to their rules.

 

That's a crock. Bureaucratic BS spin.

At the age of 16 (or whatever your state law is) you have the right to get a drivers license.

You EARN a privilege. It is your RIGHT to drive when you reach a certain age.

If it is a privilege, why do you have to wait until you reach a certain age?

 

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The Police think they have trouble now, when just the criminals want to shot at them. What ya gonna do when everyone wants to shot at ya???



That's one of the dumbest things I've heard all day.

 

The Constitution is based on principles of the Bible. Ever hear the term, "God given right"? The Constitution was drawn up by men who believed in the Bible and what it stood for.




You don't have a right to drive when you reach a certain age.

And you help to make my point in your last sentence. You just don't realize it. If it was a "right", you would be allowed to do so the minute you could prove you can safely do it. NOT by having to wait for a certain age, then take a battery of tests, in order to get the license. And then once you have that license, you have to be a good little boy or girl in order to keep it. Hell, even if you don't get into any trouble, your license can be revoked. If my Father was still alive, he'd vouch for that. His was taken away when he got old and started having problems seeing. Which is a good thing. But they could just as easily told him that he can't drive or he'd face stiff penalties. But no, the revoked his priviledge to drive.

Now, since you think you know something that you don't. Google up your State's driving laws and read it. Come back and share with us where it says you have the "right" to drive.