Harley being fast?
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RE: Harley being fast?
Do your japanesse companies make a motorcycle that looks even half as good as a Black Softail Deluxe?
As for 1950's snowmobiles...I wouldn't buy a 50's snow mobile, but I would buy a 50's era car. If american car companies made a vehicle like the Bel Air or a 50's era corvette now, I would buy it.
As for 1950's snowmobiles...I wouldn't buy a 50's snow mobile, but I would buy a 50's era car. If american car companies made a vehicle like the Bel Air or a 50's era corvette now, I would buy it.
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RE: Harley being fast?
ORIGINAL: cjmilez
Inbreed babble..?? Ok FalconA, you've done your research...we gave our opinions....you obviously LOVE the imports......why are you still here?? Please check out the other forums that suit your needs! We are not going to listen to you whine about how good a jap bike is???~~~>convince others, ok....this is an Harley Davidson forum...and we communicate about the love and passion of OUR bikes...not yours.
You may now be excused.
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Inbreed babble..?? Ok FalconA, you've done your research...we gave our opinions....you obviously LOVE the imports......why are you still here?? Please check out the other forums that suit your needs! We are not going to listen to you whine about how good a jap bike is???~~~>convince others, ok....this is an Harley Davidson forum...and we communicate about the love and passion of OUR bikes...not yours.
You may now be excused.
Candace
Just so you know, both my father and my uncle fought in WWII, and guess what, we won!! Actually the Germans were the most to blame, and yet we have hated towards the Japanese for some unknown reason!?
Just to set the record straight, I like all bikes! I came to learn, not to be insulted. I am leaning towards an M109, as it has 127 horse, 120lbs of torque, 4.4 bore, liquid cooled, inverted forks, fuel injected and has a 10 inch rear tire, yet rides as nimble as a thin tire.
I do like some Harleys also, but am not sure yet.
Some of you seem to have it in for the imports for some reason, why is this? Inferiority complex? Im confused.
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ORIGINAL: FalconA
I witnessed it first hand, and a guy walked into the dealership I was at, with an 05 springer, wanting to trade if for an M109. The dealer refused to trade it. I was there, I saw it. Thank you!
I witnessed it first hand, and a guy walked into the dealership I was at, with an 05 springer, wanting to trade if for an M109. The dealer refused to trade it. I was there, I saw it. Thank you!
But, we'll wait here with little or no response as well.
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FalconA, we don't have it in for imports....we FAVOR the bikes we ride!!! And with that being said, this IS an HD forum so what do you expect. Actually if you do love speed, the M109 sounds like your kind of bike!!! Good luck to you and your decisions.
P.S. Seth, stop being naughty!!
P.S. Seth, stop being naughty!!
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RE: Harley being fast?
ORIGINAL: eazy
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I bought the bike I wanted because I wanted it. Not for the ability to sell it to someone else. If cost is your concern, you don't have enough money to buy one. Go elsewhere.
And yes, I admit the V Max is quick, I never said mine was the fastest ever made, but your origional comment was to question the acceleration of "Harleys".
It is little wonder why these "slow, undeveloped, out-dated" bikes have been around for over 100 years. Think about it.
ORIGINAL: FalconA
I know many people that have dumped huge money in their Harleys, to try in vain to get an equal power to what most big bore cruisers, such as a Goldwing or M109, or VTX, Warrior, Vulcan already have.
Don't fool yourself with resale, as this is no longer a viable argument. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I came here to research my next purchase, I am already getting insulted if I knock Harleys. I am trying to learn about them, and compare them legitimatly to other bikes. Please don't insult me by telling me, "If you have to explain it then I just won't understand". That is a copout. These are just machines, nothing more, and to buy a machine to make friends seems strange at best as well. I don't need to buy something to impress others, I just want the most I can get for the money spent. Sorry if I don't fall into the cult way of thinking.
I know many people that have dumped huge money in their Harleys, to try in vain to get an equal power to what most big bore cruisers, such as a Goldwing or M109, or VTX, Warrior, Vulcan already have.
Don't fool yourself with resale, as this is no longer a viable argument. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I came here to research my next purchase, I am already getting insulted if I knock Harleys. I am trying to learn about them, and compare them legitimatly to other bikes. Please don't insult me by telling me, "If you have to explain it then I just won't understand". That is a copout. These are just machines, nothing more, and to buy a machine to make friends seems strange at best as well. I don't need to buy something to impress others, I just want the most I can get for the money spent. Sorry if I don't fall into the cult way of thinking.
And yes, I admit the V Max is quick, I never said mine was the fastest ever made, but your origional comment was to question the acceleration of "Harleys".
It is little wonder why these "slow, undeveloped, out-dated" bikes have been around for over 100 years. Think about it.
I am searching now for a decent cruiser with decent power. I am getting old, but I am not dead yet.
I rode a Fat boy and laughed. It feels like it needs about 50 more horse to ride decent, and I won't even mention the handling.
I am still open minded to things and not going to buy a Harley to try to impress someone else, and make believe I am buying "American" because that is a blatant lie.
Even the clothing is all China, so quit that bullshit and lets talk bikes instead of throwing mud!
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RE: Harley being fast?
ORIGINAL: FalconA
I hope you are kidding about a bike only being worth $3000 in three years. Another thing I have been doing is researching resale as well. Can you tell me why so many Harleys are for sale, in comparison to any other brands?
And just so you know, December issue of cycle world compared the Vmax to your Vrod, and guess what, the max out performed everything from comfort to acceleration, ride and handling! Now this Yamaha was released in 1984 as an 85' model and hasn't changed but a little in over 20 years and it still kicks the Vrod??? How can that be??
Go to NADA.com and look at what the average Harley depreciates please. I did, I looked at a year old model, and saw it took a $7G dump in one year!! That is almost what a Vmax costs new! An import is much cheaper, with more to offer, and if it looses a couple G's at best in a few years, big deal to having almost twice the investment, half the power and much more $ lossed when selling.
Please go to cycle trader.com, and see how many are for sale, along with any local newspaper, MY GOD! Vrods take a huge loss, worth maybe half or less in a couple years.
Talking to many Harley riders, the Vrod is very much hated by the Harley community. I don't know why it would be, because its finally an attempt to make a modern chassis, it just fails because of crank design. I wish Porshe would have been able to design and manufacture a Vtwin, rather then just manufacture something Harley designed.
I have friends that have Buells, and now after they rode the Hayabusa, the Buells are for sale. He has a White lightning with over $10 Gs in the engine, and can't even get $6500 for the whole bike.
I know many people that have dumped huge money in their Harleys, to try in vain to get an equal power to what most big bore cruisers, such as a Goldwing or M109, or VTX, Warrior, Vulcan already have.
Don't fool yourself with resale, as this is no longer a viable argument. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I came here to research my next purchase, I am already getting insulted if I knock Harleys. I am trying to learn about them, and compare them legitimatly to other bikes. Please don't insult me by telling me, "If you have to explain it then I just won't understand". That is a copout. These are just machines, nothing more, and to buy a machine to make friends seems strange at best as well. I don't need to buy something to impress others, I just want the most I can get for the money spent. Sorry if I don't fall into the cult way of thinking.
ORIGINAL: eazy
Trying not to be bias, but you are. If you don't know, you don't understand. V-Rods, like everything, have foreign parts, but are American made. I have fun one my bike and it is fast enogh to get out of bad situations. A real rider knows that Harleys are junk? No, a real rider wouldn't put themselves in a situation that they have to have power to go over 110 or need 7500 rpm. Got 9k though.
And all for 12000. It will be worth 3000 in three years.
Your not open-minded like you say, so like ****** said--Go play in traffic.
Trying not to be bias, but you are. If you don't know, you don't understand. V-Rods, like everything, have foreign parts, but are American made. I have fun one my bike and it is fast enogh to get out of bad situations. A real rider knows that Harleys are junk? No, a real rider wouldn't put themselves in a situation that they have to have power to go over 110 or need 7500 rpm. Got 9k though.
And all for 12000. It will be worth 3000 in three years.
Your not open-minded like you say, so like ****** said--Go play in traffic.
And just so you know, December issue of cycle world compared the Vmax to your Vrod, and guess what, the max out performed everything from comfort to acceleration, ride and handling! Now this Yamaha was released in 1984 as an 85' model and hasn't changed but a little in over 20 years and it still kicks the Vrod??? How can that be??
Go to NADA.com and look at what the average Harley depreciates please. I did, I looked at a year old model, and saw it took a $7G dump in one year!! That is almost what a Vmax costs new! An import is much cheaper, with more to offer, and if it looses a couple G's at best in a few years, big deal to having almost twice the investment, half the power and much more $ lossed when selling.
Please go to cycle trader.com, and see how many are for sale, along with any local newspaper, MY GOD! Vrods take a huge loss, worth maybe half or less in a couple years.
Talking to many Harley riders, the Vrod is very much hated by the Harley community. I don't know why it would be, because its finally an attempt to make a modern chassis, it just fails because of crank design. I wish Porshe would have been able to design and manufacture a Vtwin, rather then just manufacture something Harley designed.
I have friends that have Buells, and now after they rode the Hayabusa, the Buells are for sale. He has a White lightning with over $10 Gs in the engine, and can't even get $6500 for the whole bike.
I know many people that have dumped huge money in their Harleys, to try in vain to get an equal power to what most big bore cruisers, such as a Goldwing or M109, or VTX, Warrior, Vulcan already have.
Don't fool yourself with resale, as this is no longer a viable argument. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I came here to research my next purchase, I am already getting insulted if I knock Harleys. I am trying to learn about them, and compare them legitimatly to other bikes. Please don't insult me by telling me, "If you have to explain it then I just won't understand". That is a copout. These are just machines, nothing more, and to buy a machine to make friends seems strange at best as well. I don't need to buy something to impress others, I just want the most I can get for the money spent. Sorry if I don't fall into the cult way of thinking.
It is pure fact that HDs hold their resale. A 99 Springer that is being sold for over $15k (which is all over the cycle trader mag)? It did not cost that new. And every metric bike depreciates at least 50% in the first 3 years. Even the 'other' American bike Victory depreciates like that. I can wait 1 year and the 18k Kingpin will be below 14k used. If I would have left it stock, I could have sold my 2006 StreetBob for at least the same price. Your metrics, unless they are in the sub-$7k bracket, will lose at least 2k off their value when you drive off their lot, just like a car. In less than a decade they will
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RE: Harley being fast?
Falcon, it's obvious that you do not understand. You have well proven the old adage "If I have to explain, you would not understand." You are also obviously the type to make this decision strictly with logic and analytical thinking. Your supposed "truth" is based on that perspective. Modern technology also seems to be important to you. That's cool, different strokes for different folks, whatever blows your skirt up. You have to be honest with yourself and buy the bike that suits you. Everybody has their own reasons and needs. What you have to understand is that not everybody buys according to the spec sheet. Some people prefer old technology and the old ways of doing things. For a great many reasons. The old school bobber is not making huge waves in the custom market for no good reason. Just like you can't explain what love is or "why" you love your wife, most can't explain why they ride Harleys and no other.
For all the same reasons that I love vintage muscle cars, classic trucks, revolvers, leverguns and tend disregard more modern designs , I also love Harleys. I can't tell you why I prefer brunettes and redheads over blondes. Why I'm an ***-and-legs-man and not a breast-man. Why I like them juicy and not fashion model scrawny. Why I love old British guns and don't care for modern plastic designs. Why I'd rather hunt with a 100yr old levergun design than the latest whizzbang synthetic magnum with two feet of optics. I can't tell you "why", they just appeal to me.
I don't expect or require you to understand. What I do expect is for you to respect the choices of others, whether you understand or agree wtih them or not. I know it's convenient to paint all Harley riders with the same brush. That we all just bought into a "lifestyle", whatever the hell that means. Those people do exist, but they are a minority. To make that assumption that we are all the same is to disrespect the people who ride them because they love them. It also makes you look like a simple-minded, stereotypical azzhole.
I like the things I like because I like them. Not because people think it's cool. Not to fit in. Not to please anybody but myself. Not because I need an extension for my pecker. I prefer not to be judged in any other way. Do not paint me with your brush, it does not fit.
For all the same reasons that I love vintage muscle cars, classic trucks, revolvers, leverguns and tend disregard more modern designs , I also love Harleys. I can't tell you why I prefer brunettes and redheads over blondes. Why I'm an ***-and-legs-man and not a breast-man. Why I like them juicy and not fashion model scrawny. Why I love old British guns and don't care for modern plastic designs. Why I'd rather hunt with a 100yr old levergun design than the latest whizzbang synthetic magnum with two feet of optics. I can't tell you "why", they just appeal to me.
I don't expect or require you to understand. What I do expect is for you to respect the choices of others, whether you understand or agree wtih them or not. I know it's convenient to paint all Harley riders with the same brush. That we all just bought into a "lifestyle", whatever the hell that means. Those people do exist, but they are a minority. To make that assumption that we are all the same is to disrespect the people who ride them because they love them. It also makes you look like a simple-minded, stereotypical azzhole.
I like the things I like because I like them. Not because people think it's cool. Not to fit in. Not to please anybody but myself. Not because I need an extension for my pecker. I prefer not to be judged in any other way. Do not paint me with your brush, it does not fit.
