Rip Off or Legit...you tell me
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Rip Off or Legit...you tell me
So...had a stage 1 done to my ride in Dec. The dealer who did the work dyno'ed on what I assume (dangerous) was what was commonly used....ran the bike up to 5500 numerous times and used the SERT to construct the map. The dyno was a part of a package that cost me 750 for the high-flow air filter, SERT, and dyno. The dealer says normally a dyno tune at their shop is charged for by the hour @ $85.00 per.
So that brings us to dealer #2. Their claim -
"At XXX Harley-Davidson, we have the latest in Dyno tuning technology including the DynoJetŽ and Win PEP 7 Technology, the most up-to-date training available and knowledge of the Harley-DavidsonŽ Super Tuner, TTS Master Tune EFI Tuner with 02 Sensor Data, and Power Commander. We do not tune based on a download with a couple of 100% throttle position runs. At XXX Harley-Davidson, we adjust and synchronize the volumetric efficiency (VE) tables to your new engine configuration. If necessary, we use and adjust all 20 tables in the EFI Tuner Software, to eliminate decel popping, detonation (pinging), acceleration, and of course, air fuel ratio (AFR) and timing tables for optimum performance. At XXX Harley-Davidson, we have spared no cost to equip our technicians with the latest equipment and training available to bring them to the next level to better serve you and your tuning needs. Completely remapping your fuel injection system correctly can be a long, painstaking process; however, when it is done correctly, your motorcycle will run cooler and smoother with more power throughout the complete RPM range, not just at 100% throttle position. A map is made specifically for your engine configuration and exhaust systemit is a complete custom map that is finger printed to your motorcycle."
Now....obviously we can see that their dyno apparently has some more capablities. Or at least it appears that way??? I am not a dyno expert by any means...which brings me to the question to those who are....
Dealer #2 was called and asked how long generally a tune would take...and how much. The answer...a half day, and $350.00.
Really????
Is their tune really THAT good?
So that brings us to dealer #2. Their claim -
"At XXX Harley-Davidson, we have the latest in Dyno tuning technology including the DynoJetŽ and Win PEP 7 Technology, the most up-to-date training available and knowledge of the Harley-DavidsonŽ Super Tuner, TTS Master Tune EFI Tuner with 02 Sensor Data, and Power Commander. We do not tune based on a download with a couple of 100% throttle position runs. At XXX Harley-Davidson, we adjust and synchronize the volumetric efficiency (VE) tables to your new engine configuration. If necessary, we use and adjust all 20 tables in the EFI Tuner Software, to eliminate decel popping, detonation (pinging), acceleration, and of course, air fuel ratio (AFR) and timing tables for optimum performance. At XXX Harley-Davidson, we have spared no cost to equip our technicians with the latest equipment and training available to bring them to the next level to better serve you and your tuning needs. Completely remapping your fuel injection system correctly can be a long, painstaking process; however, when it is done correctly, your motorcycle will run cooler and smoother with more power throughout the complete RPM range, not just at 100% throttle position. A map is made specifically for your engine configuration and exhaust systemit is a complete custom map that is finger printed to your motorcycle."
Now....obviously we can see that their dyno apparently has some more capablities. Or at least it appears that way??? I am not a dyno expert by any means...which brings me to the question to those who are....
Dealer #2 was called and asked how long generally a tune would take...and how much. The answer...a half day, and $350.00.
Really????
Is their tune really THAT good?
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Were you charged more than you originally agreed to?
Half day, 4x$85 = $340. $10 less than the second dealer quoted you.
Which air cleaner did you get?
And most importantly, how much did they estimate it would cost?
Half day, 4x$85 = $340. $10 less than the second dealer quoted you.
Which air cleaner did you get?
And most importantly, how much did they estimate it would cost?
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No...nothing like that. When I had the stage 1 done dealer #1 had a special. It was the HD Screaming Eagle Air filter, Screaming Eagle Race Tuner, and Dyno'ed/Mapped for 750 out the door.
Dealer 2 is quoting 350 for JUST A DYNO MAPPING SESSION...THAT'S IT! Their price for a Stage 1 is 1100.00...
My question is simply this...does the dyno equipment of dealer 2 merit a half day and 350 for nothing more than a mapping session??? Seems awfully high to me.
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My Dyno guy gets about $500 for a COMPLETE tune, adjusted at all the throttle positions/stops. I had this done last year and was amazed at the results. I am having it re-done due to adding a new set of cams recently. IMO it is worth whatever a good tuner want...Yes it is that important and more than that you WILL notice the difference in rideability.
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My Dyno guy gets about $500 for a COMPLETE tune, adjusted at all the throttle positions/stops. I had this done last year and was amazed at the results. I am having it re-done due to adding a new set of cams recently. IMO it is worth whatever a good tuner want...Yes it is that important and more than that you WILL notice the difference in rideability.
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My question is simply this...does the dyno equipment of dealer 2 merit a half day and 350 for nothing more than a mapping session??? Seems awfully high to me.
It is very important to find a place with a reputation. It's too easy to lie about how many hours it takes, (without actually spending the tuning time billed for).
A good tune takes a long time.
Your dyno sheet will show how many runs they made on the dyno.
If it's a low count - you've been burned.
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It's the tuner that makes a good tune. It's worth it to pay more for a good tuner who know what he is doing. But the only way to understand this is to shell out the cash and get it done.
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It ain't the "equipment",..... it's the brains behind the tune.
It is very important to find a place with a reputation. It's too easy to lie about how many hours it takes, (without actually spending the tuning time billed for).
A good tune takes a long time.
Your dyno sheet will show how many runs they made on the dyno.
If it's a low count - you've been burned.
It is very important to find a place with a reputation. It's too easy to lie about how many hours it takes, (without actually spending the tuning time billed for).
A good tune takes a long time.
Your dyno sheet will show how many runs they made on the dyno.
If it's a low count - you've been burned.
" A good tune ain't cheap
and a cheap tune ain't good"
And although he can be slow and works on his own schedule, not mine, he has been doing this (building Harleys) since 1968 and like Ed said, the knowledge he has in his little head is what I am paying for...
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I am no expert, but I stayed at Holiday Inn last night. 
Faast Ed makes a good point I had read in other threads, some by wrenches on here that do dyno/tune work. I would check the reputation if possible and ask them up front how many runs min they make. You should be able to search on here and find how many pulls at minimum you should expect.
Faast Ed makes a good point I had read in other threads, some by wrenches on here that do dyno/tune work. I would check the reputation if possible and ask them up front how many runs min they make. You should be able to search on here and find how many pulls at minimum you should expect.