Fatalities Up
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I live in new jersey and we have had a helmet law since 1966. So I always ride with a helmet. It actually feels weird to ride without one when we wonder into Pa. My thought is sport bike guys who ride with full face helmets have a false sense of security buy wearing one of those.The reality is you can die from injuries that are not head related.There are too many accidents that can be avoided if people were more attentive, didn't drink while riding, keep their speed under control, and didn't ride outside their own limit's.In some instances there's nothing you could have done differently, but lots of time you can.,,
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Not according to statistics. If there was a rise the helmet law would quickly be put back in place and other states would not continue to repeal helmet laws.
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Dead on true, I get the feeling that the metrosexualization of the sheeple is eroding that mindset though.
it's all about freedom in the USA, we HATE our government telling us what to do.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
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"Studies have shown that helmets reduce motorcycle crash fatalities by 37 percent and are proven effective in preventing head and brain injuries. Studies have also shown when motorcycle helmet laws are in effect riders wear helmets almost 100 percent of the time. Data from the NHTSA shows that where there are no helmet laws helmet use drops to approximately 50 percent."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448295/
http://www.articlesbase.com/motorcyc...h-1980696.html
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Is the rise in fatalities because of not wearing helmets, or because of more and more first time riders buying crotch rockets that will do 160+ off the showroom floor and they have no idea how to ride it, much less control the bike. Many of these new riders are in the 18 to 30 year age group, and think they are bulletproof just like us old guys used to. I'm not saying this is the only reason for the rise in fatalities but it is something to consider.
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it's all about freedom in the USA, we HATE our government telling us what to do.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
As far as the US Govt being less involved in religion than the French Govt, are you serious??? France is a much more secular country that the US. The French Constitution explicitly separates religion from politics. There's no reference to God and to religion at all in the French administration, no oath taken on the Bible by the President, no "God bless France" in Presidential speeches, no "In God we trust" on the currency, etc....
I'm very surprised you said that.
Last edited by frenchbiker; Oct 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM.
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it's all about freedom in the USA, we HATE our government telling us what to do.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
take a look at the burqa ban in france. it is overwhelmingly favored in liberal france. but in the USA, a country with thousands murdered by muslim extremists a similar ban would be opposed nearly 2-1. not because america loves the idea of muslims coming here and forcing their women to wear black sheets, or that america is so liberal and tolerant, but because we don't think it's something our government should be getting involved in. it's a personal decision, not a governmental one.
true other countries are more comfortable with their governments telling them what to do, thankfully the USA isn't there yet.
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Being born in France and having lots of family living there, I can tell you that the ONLY reason the anti-burka law passed is security, nothing else. It would be very easy for a group of terrorists to wear burkas and becoming unidentifiable. That's not Govt interfering with religion, it's Govt protecting the population against terrorist attacks, big difference.
As far as the US Govt being less involved in religion than the French Govt, are you serious??? France is a much more secular country that the US. The French Constitution explicitly separates religion from politics. There's no reference to God at all in the French administration, no "God bless France" in Presidential speeches, no "In God we trust" on the currency, etc....
I'm very surprised you said that.
As far as the US Govt being less involved in religion than the French Govt, are you serious??? France is a much more secular country that the US. The French Constitution explicitly separates religion from politics. There's no reference to God at all in the French administration, no "God bless France" in Presidential speeches, no "In God we trust" on the currency, etc....
I'm very surprised you said that.
i never brought religion into anything, and the fact that france is so liberal and secular and yet 9-1 support the burka ban and the government telling them what to do and how to dress IS my point.
that stuff doesn't fly in america because we still love our freedoms and want government out of our personal decisions and don't support the government telling us how to dress. the helmet laws, gun restrictions etc... are the same thing.
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Try wearing a burka through US customs or into a bank or even in a store. I'm pretty sure they would ask you to remove it. I've seen it happen. There have been lots of incidents around the world with people trying to thwart identity checks buy covering their face with a burka.
like i said you are fine with your government treating you like a child and telling you what to do. in america we believe we tell the government what to do, not vice versa. so when the government gets cute and tries to get involved where they shouldn't we typically throw the whole lot of em out and start over.