"Made in China"
Road Captain
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You are free to live in denial as long as you like. Perhaps you're unaware that there is such a thing as heavy industry. The US has moved way past manufacturing the cheap consumer trinkets that we can't build as economically as the third world can.
You're probably unaware that the CIA Factbook is a very well respected reference. You apparently have a similar distrust of the World Bank, the Financial Times of London, Businessweek, Industry Week, and the WSJ. Where do YOU get your business and economic information? I'll tell you what, you pick the source and see if you can find any that say the US is not the number one manufacturing economy in the world.
You're probably unaware that the CIA Factbook is a very well respected reference. You apparently have a similar distrust of the World Bank, the Financial Times of London, Businessweek, Industry Week, and the WSJ. Where do YOU get your business and economic information? I'll tell you what, you pick the source and see if you can find any that say the US is not the number one manufacturing economy in the world.
As for my trust in the world bank and all the rest of the crony's in free world trade, who are the same anti-American greedy corporate supporters responsible for driving our economy into the dirt, yes you are right I have the common sense enough to know the enemy. You can't be serious... lol @ u ... just look at this country now being in their hands. Oh right for the sellouts, who cares.. Gawd... anyone here smell any RUB's
Last edited by RamAirThree; Jan 17, 2011 at 08:56 PM.
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How about the economic down turn businesses are facing due to economic differences of other nations, our taxes and penaltys incurred on domestic business? How about that unemployment rate that is still growing at an alarming rate? That sound like economic growth in industry to you? How about the cost in comparison using the American dollar against other foreign monetary exchanges which effects serious profit margins.... seems common sense alone would explain itself. But then again there are those that read and believe (cough) sheeple(cough) anything that sounds educated with no foresight of their own (how many times has the higher ups lied before to try and boost spending) and there are those that know better and believe that proof is in the pudding.
As for my trust in the world bank and all the rest of the crony's in free world trade, who are the same anti-American greedy corporate supporters, yes you are right I have the common sense enough to know the enemy. You can't be serious... lol @ u ... just look at this country now being in their hands. Oh right for the sellouts, who cares.. Gawd... anyone here smell any RUB's
As for my trust in the world bank and all the rest of the crony's in free world trade, who are the same anti-American greedy corporate supporters, yes you are right I have the common sense enough to know the enemy. You can't be serious... lol @ u ... just look at this country now being in their hands. Oh right for the sellouts, who cares.. Gawd... anyone here smell any RUB's
On another point, you seem to be implying because I am educated and can make a logical argument that I am a RUB. In all likelihood, I was riding a Harley across country when you were in diapers.
Road Captain
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You don't appear intelligent enough to understand that all of the things you mention are possible AND the USA is still the world's largest manufacturing economy. You haven't cited any sources whatsoever to contradict it. do you really think that your opinion, based on your extremely limited observations has more weight than the sources I posted?
On another point, you seem to be implying because I am educated and can make a logical argument that I am a RUB. In all likelihood, I was riding a Harley across country when you were in diapers.
On another point, you seem to be implying because I am educated and can make a logical argument that I am a RUB. In all likelihood, I was riding a Harley across country when you were in diapers.
As for my sources, whatever... like I said, proof is in the pudding and my education is better then you try to lead those that read to believe. I again ask you explain the economic destruction of this country and it's industry to compete against country's with a $3 an hour work force and a next to nill cost of living if these sources you inspire as proof are with honest intentions and do infact care for more then their own bank accounts. I ask you to explain our economic woes if they are so far superior in knowledge and a creditable source. But you won't be able to answer, we both know... you will just mumbo jumbo some more google and hide like before.
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You want to bet on that my man about riding unless you been in the saddle more then 32 years that is and that doesn't change the facts as my description stands from your choice of words such as the World Bank... so if the shoe fits wear it.
As for my sources, whatever... like I said, proof is in the pudding and my education is better then you try to lead those that read to believe. I again ask you explain the economic destruction of this country and it's industry to compete against country's with a $3 an hour work force and a next to nill cost of living if these sources you inspire as proof are with honest intentions and do infact care for more then their own bank accounts. I ask you to explain our economic woes if they are so far superior in knowledge and a creditable source. But you won't be able to answer, we both know... you will just mumbo jumbo some more google and hide like before.
As for my sources, whatever... like I said, proof is in the pudding and my education is better then you try to lead those that read to believe. I again ask you explain the economic destruction of this country and it's industry to compete against country's with a $3 an hour work force and a next to nill cost of living if these sources you inspire as proof are with honest intentions and do infact care for more then their own bank accounts. I ask you to explain our economic woes if they are so far superior in knowledge and a creditable source. But you won't be able to answer, we both know... you will just mumbo jumbo some more google and hide like before.
Now I'm going to keep bringing you back to the statement of mine that you contradicted. That being of course that the US has the world's largest manufacturing economy. It is nothing but ignorance to attempt to contradict that without evidence. You further demean yourself by attempting to denigrate the sources I posted. You asked for references, I gave them to you. In fact, I recall your exact words were something along the lines of "I don't know where you got your statistics from." I showed you. If you want to branch the conversation off into the other areas (unemployment, consumer products, toilet paper, etc.) you'll have to first agree that you're wrong in what we started talking about.
All it will take is ONE credible source that says the US is not as of 2010 the world's largest manufacturing economy. Of course you won't find one.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't or won't just support your argument. Where is the proof in your pudding? I've heard that expression many times and I always assumed it meant the proof was in the evidence someone was going to present. Only problem, you haven't presented any evidence. Just your opinion, and some rather lame attempts at insult.
As Daniel Moynihan is supposed to have said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
Road Captain
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From: Queens, NY
You've been riding 32 years? Wow, I would have thought it was more like 32 months, but even at 32 years that's about 8 short of my first cross-country Harley trip. Of course I was riding before that, but just local. All in about 45 years.
Now I'm going to keep bringing you back to the statement of mine that you contradicted. That being of course that the US has the world's largest manufacturing economy. It is nothing but ignorance to attempt to contradict that without evidence. You further demean yourself by attempting to denigrate the sources I posted. You asked for references, I gave them to you. In fact, I recall your exact words were something along the lines of "I don't know where you got your statistics from." I showed you. If you want to branch the conversation off into the other areas (unemployment, consumer products, toilet paper, etc.) you'll have to first agree that you're wrong in what we started talking about.
All it will take is ONE credible source that says the US is not as of 2010 the world's largest manufacturing economy. Of course you won't find one.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't or won't just support your argument. Where is the proof in your pudding? I've heard that expression many times and I always assumed it meant the proof was in the evidence someone was going to present. Only problem, you haven't presented any evidence. Just your opinion, and some rather lame attempts at insult.
As Daniel Moynihan is supposed to have said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
Now I'm going to keep bringing you back to the statement of mine that you contradicted. That being of course that the US has the world's largest manufacturing economy. It is nothing but ignorance to attempt to contradict that without evidence. You further demean yourself by attempting to denigrate the sources I posted. You asked for references, I gave them to you. In fact, I recall your exact words were something along the lines of "I don't know where you got your statistics from." I showed you. If you want to branch the conversation off into the other areas (unemployment, consumer products, toilet paper, etc.) you'll have to first agree that you're wrong in what we started talking about.
All it will take is ONE credible source that says the US is not as of 2010 the world's largest manufacturing economy. Of course you won't find one.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't or won't just support your argument. Where is the proof in your pudding? I've heard that expression many times and I always assumed it meant the proof was in the evidence someone was going to present. Only problem, you haven't presented any evidence. Just your opinion, and some rather lame attempts at insult.
As Daniel Moynihan is supposed to have said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
As for my disagreement again I do not believe in bias literature or thieving corporate Anti-American scum like Bloomberg and especially the CIA. They have motive. Now I see no need to go backing myself up like a super Google cut and paste biker and if you know me I never do because my arguing is from my heart with honesty. My reasoning for disagreeing is simple with no motive. I see affiliated situations happening that explain different then what you are claiming. When I see a turn around in unemployment (I mean in industry you would have to hire workers to operate) and a turn in economic growth (because domestic industry is a positive force in a nation's economical growth) then I will believe but until then some scum succubus like the world bank commission is hardly anyone to make me go against common sense of what I see going on around me. Oh and before you go there yes there are more things I see that keep me from believing what you read but these hold enough ground. Now if you feel you would rather believe what you read, please by all means but do not try to force me to follow as it will take more then a corporate publication from the sources you hold on a pedestal.
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and again you were the wise *** that had to use a statement like ignorant when I gave no insult in my post so if your gonna be soft skinned, do not pull cheap punches and expect none back.
As for my disagreement again I do not believe in bias literature or thieving corporate Anti-American scum like Bloomberg and especially the CIA. They have motive. Now I see no need to go backing myself up like a super Google cut and paste biker and if you know me I never do because my arguing is from my heart with honesty. My reasoning for disagreeing is simple with no motive. I see affiliated situations happening that explain different then what you are claiming. When I see a turn around in unemployment (I mean in industry you would have to hire workers to operate) and a turn in economic growth (because domestic industry is a positive force in a nation's economical growth) then I will believe but until then some scum succubus like the world bank commission is hardly anyone to make me go against common sense of what I see going on around me. Oh and before you go there yes there are more things I see that keep me from believing what you read but these hold enough ground. Now if you feel you would rather believe what you read, please by all means but do not try to force me to follow as it will take more then a corporate publication from the sources you hold on a pedestal.
As for my disagreement again I do not believe in bias literature or thieving corporate Anti-American scum like Bloomberg and especially the CIA. They have motive. Now I see no need to go backing myself up like a super Google cut and paste biker and if you know me I never do because my arguing is from my heart with honesty. My reasoning for disagreeing is simple with no motive. I see affiliated situations happening that explain different then what you are claiming. When I see a turn around in unemployment (I mean in industry you would have to hire workers to operate) and a turn in economic growth (because domestic industry is a positive force in a nation's economical growth) then I will believe but until then some scum succubus like the world bank commission is hardly anyone to make me go against common sense of what I see going on around me. Oh and before you go there yes there are more things I see that keep me from believing what you read but these hold enough ground. Now if you feel you would rather believe what you read, please by all means but do not try to force me to follow as it will take more then a corporate publication from the sources you hold on a pedestal.
This isn't the political forum, I'm not sure you were trying to make a political statement, but maybe you were. You took exception to a direct statement I wrote. "The US has the world's largest manufacturing economy." This is a well substantiated fact. You have only your mistaken opinion to contradict the statement. Everything else you have written is superfluous verbiage placed in an attempt to distract from the basic underlying fact: you can't back up your contradiction of my statement.
I'm done with you.
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