brake your bicycle the same as your motorcycle . Actually in some nations and Australia ( I think Australia) , the front brake of a bicycle is on the right side.

 

don't forget here that a wieght shift on a motorcycle is mostly the motorcycle a bicycle on the other hand is the riders weight and trust me that can get a rear wheel to lift rather quickly, when that happens you usual can run off the front. The braking principals are the same for both with ease of high side going to the MC and ease of endo going to the bicycle, they both will produce similar results when locking up the front.

 

I used to be one of those guys wearing the shorts, helmet, and uh....gun. I was a bicycle patrolman and when I attended the training for it, braking was covered in depth. Trail braking for slow turns/moves, emergency braking, etc. To stop a bike at it's best, both are used but you must through your weight over the back of the seat or go over the bars.

If you can't remember where the brakes are on a bicycle vs motorcycle, then pick one and stick with it. Shouldn't be too tough to remember that the one making all the noise is the motorcycle.

 

[quote]ORIGINAL: Motor Squad


Dude, the vast majority of motorcycle racers (and most sportbike street riders) don't even use the rear brake. And any that do are not using very much. I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about in the quote but if you are referring to a technique called "backing it in" you are way off on how it's done. That is NOT done with a rear brake stomp!

On a HARLEY, or any other motorcycle with the weight and performance characteristics of a cement mixer, the reason it is OK to use significant rear braking is because of the lack of weight transfer. But even so, applying "lots of rear brake" is not proper braking technique. How much to use is difficult to gauge in a panic situation because there is so much to concentrate on. Also, it is tough to have a light touch with your foot. That's why Keith Code says forget it and concentrate on your front braking. I think that with a heavy bike though, some rear brake is helpful and the use of the rear brake should not be discarded entirely. But if if a rider did decide to abandon rear brake usage, it would not be a bad idea.

With rear brake usage there are differing opinions as to whether to apply before or after applying the front. Jason Pridmore uses the rear brake only when giving 2 up rides at his race school and he advocates applying it after. Others feel that lightly applying it just before the front will bring the rear in line with the front of the bike. Tough to argue against Pridmore though. He's the man.

BTW, rear brake usage is always helpful in slow speed riding and it can be very helpful to drag the rear when doing a tight U turn.

Anyway, tip of the day is that on a cruiser or a sportbike, the front brake is where it's at. Concentrate on that and live. And it wouldn't kill you guys to read "Twist of the Wrist II" but it might if you don't.

Where do you guys learn to ride anyway? Did your grandmother's teach you?

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Japscrap


Hey dude you must not have read the question that was asked and statements that were made by the original thread starter. We were discussing the proper braking techniques and what could happen if you use too much rear brake. Nobody is arguing the stopping power of the front brake. Maybe you should go back to your Jap forum and talk about how cool it is to ride wheelies and sit on the gas tank.

 

[quote]ORIGINAL: Motor Squad



That's cool, I will. The only reason I even posted that is because the husband of an ex-girlfriend just died. HARLEY rider. She saw it happen as she was riding behind. Died of a head injury. (Yeah, yeah, a beanie but that issue has been beaten to death.) Total rider error. He didn't believe in using much front brake. I dunno, maybe that was a carryover from dirt bikes or something. While there are many, many sportbike crashes most of which are the result of rider error, not many are as dumb as someone not having a clue as to how to use the brakes on their bike. So even though I think you "bad boys" are just a bunch of poser hacks, I would not want you to leave behind loved ones because you can't ride a bike.

So read it again and learn, 'cause if you knew how to ride you wouldn't have a thread on speculation about what "could" happen with too much rear brake, you'd already know what "would" happen. And if you knew a god damn thing MS you wouldn't have made that comment about racers using the rear brake hard because they don't! It just proved that you are a hack.

And say what you will about wheelies and stoppies, it is difficult and the guys/gals that can do that stuff well can ride. Ride better than you. Some of them are just foolish fo

 

Japcrap you need to lighten up and get some bedside manner.

You said some really good stuff, just use some finesse [8D]

You mentioned "Twist of the Wrist" great book.

Two other good books are: "Total Control" by Lee Parks and "Ride Hard Ride Smart" by Pat Hahn.

 

I really hate to agree with anybody that rides metric but
he is right most sport bike riders rarly use the rear brake
and then only gently as for use not using the front being left over from dirt I
think he should really try dirt some time front is very important
I used to throw the front brake away first thing many years ago
say 50 + but have since learned to use it a lot almost every tight corner all from dirt racing on late model jap bikes
I do believe some of you need to take a class and learn a little about front brake use


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Yeah.but most of the sportbike riders are homos........they have to be IMO because why else would you want to stick your azz up in the air like that unless it was a mating call for your other gay poweranger rump-ranger buddy.........dont' even ask me about the gay colored bikes or leather outfits..........those guys should all be in San Francisco where they belong.

 

First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.

Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.

Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.