Braking Basics
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RE: Braking Basics
ORIGINAL: 4merRacer
First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
ORIGINAL: KBFXDLI
Yeah.but most of the sportbike riders are homos........they have to be IMO because why else would you want to stick your azz up in the air like that unless it was a mating call for your other gay poweranger rump-ranger buddy.........dont' even ask me about the gay colored bikes or leather outfits..........those guys should all be in San Francisco where they belong.
Yeah.but most of the sportbike riders are homos........they have to be IMO because why else would you want to stick your azz up in the air like that unless it was a mating call for your other gay poweranger rump-ranger buddy.........dont' even ask me about the gay colored bikes or leather outfits..........those guys should all be in San Francisco where they belong.
First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
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RE: Braking Basics
Hey.......don't get your boxers in a knot there dude.......I haven't seen one group of sportbikers here who weren't riding like a bunch of silly azholes...........and that gives us all a bad name. I don't think they have ***** but lack any brains.......there is a big difference. I just think they look gay.......JMO........I think it's hilarious the way it pizzes people off too. This season I have seen at least 10 stupid and dangerous stunts with 2 that could have involved me in an accident while I was minding my own business. We just had one scraped off of I480 after lane spitting during morning rush hour. 4 motorists ran him over after he was knocked off his bike by a semi.
I understand that young people do silly $hit.......and I'm no exception.......but these crotch rockets go 150mph+ right out of the showroom.......and most of these jerkoffs are NOT skilled riders........because if they were.....they wouldn't be riding crazy. Like I said...JMHO
I understand that young people do silly $hit.......and I'm no exception.......but these crotch rockets go 150mph+ right out of the showroom.......and most of these jerkoffs are NOT skilled riders........because if they were.....they wouldn't be riding crazy. Like I said...JMHO
ORIGINAL: 4merRacer
First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
ORIGINAL: KBFXDLI
Yeah.but most of the sportbike riders are homos........they have to be IMO because why else would you want to stick your azz up in the air like that unless it was a mating call for your other gay poweranger rump-ranger buddy.........dont' even ask me about the gay colored bikes or leather outfits..........those guys should all be in San Francisco where they belong.
Yeah.but most of the sportbike riders are homos........they have to be IMO because why else would you want to stick your azz up in the air like that unless it was a mating call for your other gay poweranger rump-ranger buddy.........dont' even ask me about the gay colored bikes or leather outfits..........those guys should all be in San Francisco where they belong.
First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
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RE: Braking Basics
I have been riding motorcycles forever........... Every pedel bike that I have had, I switched the brake grips to always have the front brake operated on my right. I never had a problem develop while riding the pedel bike fast.
Although, I used to switch back and forth racing desert vs. motocross between a CZ desert sled and a Bultaco Pursang without too much trouble. (CZ originally came out with the rear brake being on the left and the shift lever being on the right.
And anyone that thinks for a minute that good dirt riders don't use as much front brake as every braking situation will take has never ridden a dirt bike! ................ BC
Although, I used to switch back and forth racing desert vs. motocross between a CZ desert sled and a Bultaco Pursang without too much trouble. (CZ originally came out with the rear brake being on the left and the shift lever being on the right.
And anyone that thinks for a minute that good dirt riders don't use as much front brake as every braking situation will take has never ridden a dirt bike! ................ BC
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Before I ever even learned to drive a motorcycle my hubbys friend told me not to use the front brake because I'd end up over the handle bars, boy did that screw me up in class. I hate people with good intentions, or maybe not good intentions.
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If you watch racers "back it in", it's because the weight transfer to the front and it has nothing to do with the rear brake.
Most street riders I know don't have the skill to use a rear brake and would be better served taking the lever off and tossing it in the garbage can. Every single crash I've seen on the road has been from people locking up the rear in a panic.
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The problem is that if you don't let off the rear brake in that split second before it starts to go to one side or the other you can run into a "high side" situation. The rule of thumb is to stay with it if it locks up and ride it until you stop. In most cases if the back end swings to one side or the other during a rear wheel lock up and the rider lets off the rear brake, the bike will regain traction and try to return to a straight line. When this happens, it can be a violent reaction when the bike returns to the original straight line and can throw the rider off the bike in the opposite direction of the original skid. If you watch sport bike racing, you may see it pretty often when they come into a corner hot and apply lots of rear brake. The bike will swing one way and then swing the other really violently.
Ride Safe.
Ride Safe.
I learned to drive on cars WITHOUT ABS, and still today occasionally drive a car without ABS. This taught me an automatic reflex: as soon as I feel a wheel lock, I release the brake enough to let it roll again.
If the rear started to just barely skid, you can safely release the brake. All that you will feel is a slight wobble. Having fishtailed to a wide skid is another thing entirely, and you have to deal with the "whip" effect of a straightening vehicle.
For front wheel skids, in my scarce experience in this thread it's been put far too easily.
"Ease on the break untill it rolls again or you risk falling". Yeah, sure... you have, like, 2-3 tenths of a second to do that.
You either are trained to do that, you have very quick reflexes and you are lucky, or you are down before you can understand what happened.
DON'T lock the front wheel.
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Rear brake:
Almost all of the weight is in front of the brake, so the rear tire loses grip with the road and is much less efficient. Once the tire breaks lose there is not much stopping power.
Front brake:
Almost all of the weight is behind the brake. This makes it a little harder to lock up the front tire. So, the front brake is more efficient.
Note: If your on a slippery surface (gravel, wet roads, etc.), locking up the front tire can cause you to go down in a hurry. So, it takes some experience to learn to balance the application of front and rear brake.
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Rear brake is used even on sport bikes to better set the bike for a bend.
On a HARLEY, or any other motorcycle with the weight and performance characteristics of a cement mixer, the reason it is OK to use significant rear braking is because of the lack of weight transfer.
First, my bike surely doesn't weigh as a cement mixer, more as a harvester.
Weight transfer happens on a heavy bike as well as on light ones, and is even more important.
The point is not in how much weight transfer there is, but in how it happens, due to different center of gravity placement (do you knowanything about bikes? I'm very ignorant, but you beat me by a great lenght!)
On bikes like an HD, the COG is shifted much more aft, so the rear brake is much more effective, and you get better overall breaking using BOTH brakes. This obviously requires greater skill than just grabbing that front lever, as you have to control each brake to avoid blocking each wheel, and balance the two brakes together for best braking performance.
But even so, applying "lots of rear brake" is not proper braking technique. How much to use is difficult to gauge in a panic situation because there is so much to concentrate on. Also, it is tough to have a light touch with your foot.
That's why Keith Code says forget it and concentrate on your front braking. I think that with a heavy bike though, some rear brake is helpful and the use of the rear brake should not be discarded entirely. But if if a rider did decide to abandon rear brake usage, it would not be a bad idea.
With rear brake usage there are differing opinions as to whether to apply before or after applying the front. Jason Pridmore uses the rear brake only when giving 2 up rides at his race school
Where do you guys learn to ride anyway? Did your grandmother's teach you?
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First, this is fairly ignorant. I'll take a skilled sportbike rider and compare riding ability with anyone. It take more ***** to flip a bike from one peg to another than cruising down the road at 65mph. Ironically, we should be glad that those "homos" are riding because the more riders out on the street the better. Unfortunately, many of them give motorcycling a bad name but there's still plenty of good, respectable riders. Oh, and as long as we're talking opinions, 10 years ago you couldn't have paid me to wear a pair of leather chaps.....it's too "Village People." Now I get it just like I get the colors of leathers and bikes that other riders have.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
Hopefully this was meant to get under someone else's skin since his last post CLEARLY shows that he's just a troll and probably rides a sportbike. In fact, he probably doesn't even know how to ride it well. By the way, japscrap, anytime you'd like to do a track day, let me know. "Backing it in" is, in fact, done by hitting the rear brake to cause a loss of traction. JAPSCRAP, as was said, if you want to hang out here that's great. Always nice to see other viewpoints. Just lighten up. You don't have a clue how much experience is on here. I raced for years, there's several others that have, there's motor officers which could ride the wheels off a bike, etc. Oh, and they're mature enough not to go over to sportbikes.com (formerly esportbike.com) and make a bunch of silly posts.
Good suggestion on the twist of the wrist book, though.
The fun part is that I can learn something from an *******, while he remains an *******. :ROLLEYES: