Finding Accurate Value for Irreplaceable FXR
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First off, there is no such thing as a FXR-SP. It's a FXRS-SP. That's a FXRS with the Sport Package. It was mass produced from approximately 1987 to 1993, and the only thing distinguishing it from the FXRS is the dual disks in the front, and forks that are 2 inches over standard length to give the bike more ground clearance and suspension travel...but I'm sure you already knew that.
I would really love to see this 1 of 2 paint job. Who knows, maybe you'll win me over.
I would really love to see this 1 of 2 paint job. Who knows, maybe you'll win me over.
As Bronson stated....a student of the FXR........me too!
OP.....We're from Missouri....'the show me state'.....where are your pics?
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The other thing, is that just because something is rare, unless people are looking for it there isn't much value. Kind of like the guy with the "rare" '98 firebird. Yea, it might be rare, but at the end of the day it's still a '98 firebird and nobody's beating down the door looking for those.
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The other thing, is that just because something is rare, unless people are looking for it there isn't much value. Kind of like the guy with the "rare" '98 firebird. Yea, it might be rare, but at the end of the day it's still a '98 firebird and nobody's beating down the door looking for those.
(Which ain't a bad thing).
I just don't see it adding much cash to the deal.
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Nice bike, but I think I've got a better chance of banging Jennifer Anniston and Julia Roberts in the same bed tonight, than the owner selling that bike for $31K. Same goes for that '90 Heritage Softail...very nice scoot, but the price is absurd. Some owners just need a reality check.
When a guy dumps all that money into aftermarket chrome and performance enhancements on any year/model bike, he can kiss that cash goodbye...he'll never fully recover it in a sale. If the guy actually wants to sell the bike, he will have to take a major bath on it...especially in this economy. If you're honestly thinking of sinking that kind of cash into your baby, I would suggest holding on to it, and enjoying it.
When a guy dumps all that money into aftermarket chrome and performance enhancements on any year/model bike, he can kiss that cash goodbye...he'll never fully recover it in a sale. If the guy actually wants to sell the bike, he will have to take a major bath on it...especially in this economy. If you're honestly thinking of sinking that kind of cash into your baby, I would suggest holding on to it, and enjoying it.
OR???? perhaps this is NOT a specialist/collectors forum.
The OP needs to find an appraiser, who deals in "unusual" motorcycles. Accepting the "one of two" statement, it would be difficult to compare sales.
There was ONE sales comparison, but that sale took place in 1996. At that time, one could buy a bike, ride it for two years, and sell the bike for what was paid.
There's no magic formula, to determine a vehicle's worth. How rare the bike is, the condition the bike is in, and the general trend on the market all play a part.
The seller really needs to consult an appraiser, if he wants to "know the current value on today's market".
The OP needs to find an appraiser, who deals in "unusual" motorcycles. Accepting the "one of two" statement, it would be difficult to compare sales.
There was ONE sales comparison, but that sale took place in 1996. At that time, one could buy a bike, ride it for two years, and sell the bike for what was paid.
There's no magic formula, to determine a vehicle's worth. How rare the bike is, the condition the bike is in, and the general trend on the market all play a part.
The seller really needs to consult an appraiser, if he wants to "know the current value on today's market".
StevOn, Just a very brief history of the CVO FXR's. First off, they were the first bikes produced by what would later become the Custom Vehicle Operations. These FXR's were produced 5 years after the FXR went out of mass production. Each bike was built by hand by a team of two workers. The paint job on my FXR2 is nothing special by todays standards: just a 3 stage single color red paint with no striping and subtle "Harley Davidson" script on the tank in holographic paint. It has no one-off parts on it. It is equipped with most of the chrome options that HD offered in their parts catalog, like chrome swingarm, custom pegs, grips etc.
As for the OP's original question and discussions of rarity: If I had a 1990 FXR-SP I could take the tins to my local HD dealer and have him ship them off to the factory who would then paint them exactly as his bike is painted. Factory colors. Factory pattern. Factory decal. They offered that program for years and it's likely how his bike came to be painted the colors it is in the first place. Now, try sending those same tins off to HD and asking them to paint then in FXR2 Arresting Red. No chance. They will only repaint parts in that color if the dealer provides documentation that they came off a CVO '99 FXR2. Same with every CVO bike built since. There will never be more than 625 FXR2's in factory Arresting Red. HD does not even release the PPG paint code on the CVO bikes, but you can get the PPG code for every other factory color they have done.
Not to **** on the OP's parade, but he has a very nice 1990 FXR-SP painted in a rare combination. Nothing more. If he dropped it and dented the tank, he could have a factory replacement in a few months. Realistically, as a private seller he would likely get around $6500-$8000 for it in the spring or summer. I bought my FXR2 two years ago with 6000 miles on it for $8200 and I doubt his bike is much cleaner than mine.
As for the OP's original question and discussions of rarity: If I had a 1990 FXR-SP I could take the tins to my local HD dealer and have him ship them off to the factory who would then paint them exactly as his bike is painted. Factory colors. Factory pattern. Factory decal. They offered that program for years and it's likely how his bike came to be painted the colors it is in the first place. Now, try sending those same tins off to HD and asking them to paint then in FXR2 Arresting Red. No chance. They will only repaint parts in that color if the dealer provides documentation that they came off a CVO '99 FXR2. Same with every CVO bike built since. There will never be more than 625 FXR2's in factory Arresting Red. HD does not even release the PPG paint code on the CVO bikes, but you can get the PPG code for every other factory color they have done.
Not to **** on the OP's parade, but he has a very nice 1990 FXR-SP painted in a rare combination. Nothing more. If he dropped it and dented the tank, he could have a factory replacement in a few months. Realistically, as a private seller he would likely get around $6500-$8000 for it in the spring or summer. I bought my FXR2 two years ago with 6000 miles on it for $8200 and I doubt his bike is much cleaner than mine.
The CVO bikes paint matched to VIN's aren't the only ones that are controlled by Harley Davidson. My tank got damaged as well as the gold leaf decal, I was going to get the tank repaired locally but Harley Davidson wouldn't sell the decal. They would only sell me a new painted tank as long as I supplied the VIN to confirm I had a bike in that color.
If they can't supply touch up paint, there not going to be able to paint his original tins as well as replace the decals twenty one years later.
The other thing, is that just because something is rare, unless people are looking for it there isn't much value. Kind of like the guy with the "rare" '98 firebird. Yea, it might be rare, but at the end of the day it's still a '98 firebird and nobody's beating down the door looking for those.
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HARLEY DAVIDSON FXR LOW RIDER WESTBROOK ORIGINAL - $24500
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...224283628.html
1 OF 1 HARLEY DAVIDSON FXR VQ MAGAZINE FEATURE ARTICLE BIKE COMPLETLY HAND MADE ONE OFF CUSTOM THAT TOOK 3 YEARS TO BUILD AND FINISH BY BILLY WESTBROOK OF NORTH HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA. THE BEST OF THE BEST BUILT BY WESTBROOK AND PAINTED YES PAINTED BY WESTBROOK AND ONLY 2 OF ALL HIS FXR'S ARE COMPLETELY PAINTED BY HIM. THIS IS A CHANCE TO OWN ROLLING MUSEUM ART. WESTBROOK HAS BEEN SAID TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST BY SOME OF THE TOP BIKE BUILDERS LIKE ARLEN NESS AND PAUL YAFFE JUST TO NAME A FEW. YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS BIKE FOR DAYS AND WEEKS AND YEARS AND PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE BEFORE. IT IS COMPLETLY AMAZING. IT IS A TIMELESS LOOK THAT ONLY YOU WILL HAVE. YOU COULD NOT DUPLICATE THIS BIKE FOR DOUBLE THE SALE PRICE AND EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO IT PROBABLY COULDN'T BE DONE ....... FOR MORE DETAILS AND A SHOWING PLEASE CALL PAUL AT 818-400-1111......PICTURES DON'T DO A THING YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS ONE!!!!!!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...224283628.html
1 OF 1 HARLEY DAVIDSON FXR VQ MAGAZINE FEATURE ARTICLE BIKE COMPLETLY HAND MADE ONE OFF CUSTOM THAT TOOK 3 YEARS TO BUILD AND FINISH BY BILLY WESTBROOK OF NORTH HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA. THE BEST OF THE BEST BUILT BY WESTBROOK AND PAINTED YES PAINTED BY WESTBROOK AND ONLY 2 OF ALL HIS FXR'S ARE COMPLETELY PAINTED BY HIM. THIS IS A CHANCE TO OWN ROLLING MUSEUM ART. WESTBROOK HAS BEEN SAID TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST BY SOME OF THE TOP BIKE BUILDERS LIKE ARLEN NESS AND PAUL YAFFE JUST TO NAME A FEW. YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS BIKE FOR DAYS AND WEEKS AND YEARS AND PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE BEFORE. IT IS COMPLETLY AMAZING. IT IS A TIMELESS LOOK THAT ONLY YOU WILL HAVE. YOU COULD NOT DUPLICATE THIS BIKE FOR DOUBLE THE SALE PRICE AND EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO IT PROBABLY COULDN'T BE DONE ....... FOR MORE DETAILS AND A SHOWING PLEASE CALL PAUL AT 818-400-1111......PICTURES DON'T DO A THING YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS ONE!!!!!!
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HARLEY DAVIDSON FXR LOW RIDER WESTBROOK ORIGINAL - $24500
1 OF 1 HARLEY DAVIDSON FXR VQ MAGAZINE FEATURE ARTICLE BIKE COMPLETLY HAND MADE ONE OFF CUSTOM THAT TOOK 3 YEARS TO BUILD AND FINISH BY BILLY WESTBROOK OF NORTH HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA. THE BEST OF THE BEST BUILT BY WESTBROOK AND PAINTED YES PAINTED BY WESTBROOK AND ONLY 2 OF ALL HIS FXR'S ARE COMPLETELY PAINTED BY HIM. THIS IS A CHANCE TO OWN ROLLING MUSEUM ART. WESTBROOK HAS BEEN SAID TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST BY SOME OF THE TOP BIKE BUILDERS LIKE ARLEN NESS AND PAUL YAFFE JUST TO NAME A FEW. YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS BIKE FOR DAYS AND WEEKS AND YEARS AND PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE BEFORE. IT IS COMPLETLY AMAZING. IT IS A TIMELESS LOOK THAT ONLY YOU WILL HAVE. YOU COULD NOT DUPLICATE THIS BIKE FOR DOUBLE THE SALE PRICE AND EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO IT PROBABLY COULDN'T BE DONE ....... FOR MORE DETAILS AND A SHOWING PLEASE CALL PAUL AT 818-400-1111......PICTURES DON'T DO A THING YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS ONE!!!!!!
Orange County Choppers, and many others ALSO build "one of" bikes.
They build thousands of "one of" bikes.
What does that have to do with the OP's bike, other than confirming that "one of" bikes lose value?
I really don't see this Westbrook bike selling for the advertised price.
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I read this whole darn thing looking for pictures of this "rare" motorcycle. Alas, I found none. It's a good thing that the "debates" were entertaining. I'm just glad that I'm the kind of dude that buys stuff to use, possibly abuse, not just to look at or store in hopes of riches. Now, where are the picures at???
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In these tough times, I don't understand why Westbrook would build an expensive bike like this, unless it was built to order for a specific person's taste.
That raked out and slammed look probably isn't going to appeal to a lot of FXR fanatics out there, because the bike doesn't really look like a FXR, and it's going to handle like **** in the twisties. There's no ground clearance, and there's no room for suspension travel...kind of important when considering the handling characteristics of the bike that was known for its great handling and ride quality.
Ok, back to the thread topic...are we ever going to see some pics of these magical mystery tins?
Last edited by Then Came Bronson; Feb 27, 2011 at 02:22 AM.