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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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one of the bolts for my derby cover is stripped , can anyone tell me the size of the threads ?? 1984 fxrs ,evo.
what is a heli coil?? not sure of the spelling...... thanks!
 
Old Oct 9, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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the helicoil works by drilling a size up from original ie if the original thread is 1/4 then you have to drill for a 5/16 tap, then the 1/4 helicoil is wound into giving a new hardend 1/4
thread. They come as a kit with exact drill & tap size & the tool to wind in the replacment thread.
I have used them many times as a race mechanic & found them very good.
 
Old Oct 9, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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Get a heli coil kit for that size thread.Sorry I dont know what size it is.
If the thread is a blind hole then you dont need to worry about the chips to much.You dont want the chips to get inside the case.
If the hole is thru then it would be a good idea to remove the cover if practical so the chips dont go inside.
Automotive and hardware stores sell the kits.
Hope this helps.
 
Old Oct 10, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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I doubt if a Helicoil will solve your problem. I think that the thickness of the primary cover in that area is not sufficient to adequately install the fix. If the threads aren't too boogered up, run a tap through them to clear them out. Then when you put the derby cover back on put a liberal amount of thread sealer (LocTite thread sealer with teflon) on the screw. If that doesn't work, you could possibly redrill and tap the hole for the next larger size (perhaps even go metric if needed). You might run into issues with the head of the new machine screw being to large for the derby cover.

The last resort of course, is to replace the primary cover, and remember from now on that anything threaded into aluminum needs to go in 'hand tight' first...Then put the wrench on it.
 
Old Oct 10, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: Hackd

I doubt if a Helicoil will solve your problem. I think that the thickness of the primary cover in that area is not sufficient to adequately install the fix.
How thick is the mat'l there?
Helicoils come in a few different lenghts.
Even if the thread was chased with a tap,the thread will still be striped.
 
Old Oct 10, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: 1FLTRI4ME...How thick is the mat'l there?...Helicoils come in a few different lenghts...Even if the thread was chased with a tap, the thread will still be striped...
I'd have to take off my derby cover again to look for certain, but I doubt if it's much more than .250. Depending if the thread is truly stripped, or was merely 'cross threaded', there is a 'possibility' of restoring it. To a degree anyway. Like I posted:

ORIGINAL: Hackd...If the threads aren't too boogered up, run a tap through them to clear them out. Then when you put the derby cover back on put a liberal amount of thread sealer (LocTite thread sealer with teflon) on the screw...
If the threads have been pulled out (really 'stripped' in the true sense of the work), then you're gonna have to go to Plan B. On a side note, most 'stripped' spark plug threads in aluminum heads can be repaired using this tool: Back-Tap


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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 11:05 AM
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I saw the demonstration of back pack thread straihtening devise. It looked so easy but as he was withdrawing the tool just with a flick of fingers looked un real. I thought there would be some reasonable resistance when you were straightening threads out.?
 
Old Oct 10, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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got my primary cover real chep because somebody had broken a bolt and trie to drill it out
I used a threat insert called keen sert works great just seal the back side with something
so it doesn't leak out the hole plenty of material to do the repair
the thread is 1/4-20 or 28 take the bolt with you to get the right one..
good luck

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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dancemax..I saw the demonstration of back pack thread straihtening devise. It looked so easy but as he was withdrawing the tool just with a flick of fingers looked un real. I thought there would be some reasonable resistance when you were straightening threads out.?
I can tell you this, I used one of them on my Ford Racing 5.0 crate motor that the previous owner had crossthreaded one of the sparkplugs. I think he was probably demonstrating on a good head. You will need to use a small wrench and light force. However, the instructions say not to expand the tool fully the first pass, but to gradually expand it with each pass. They also say to use a bit of lube on the tool to catch the metal chips. I used good old petroleum jelly. Four or five passes, and the spark plug spun right in like it's supposed to. Sweet. Luckily it's 14mm so it'll also work on the HD. Hope I'll never need it again.


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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 12:14 AM
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That will be the 1/4-20 Heli-coil kit you need. I've done this project before and I can tell you it works and is not too difficult.
 
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