What's Wrong w/ Cage Drivers?
Road Master
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From: Southern California
Lane splitting (actually lane sharing) is legal in California and some cagers still get pissed. Not all cagers, because some actually move over to let you pass, but some block your way to prove some kind of point.
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From: Central Illinois
I've waved to NYC cops stuck in traffic more than once lane splitting and have never been pulled over for it. I find it impossible to believe that you have any amount in the saddle other than some weekend rides in the country and find lane splitting so abhorrent. Do it, don't do it I can respect both sides, if people don't feel comfortable or safe they shouldn't do it. But don't call everyone who lane splits "********" while you're riding up the friggin shoulder to avoid traffic because you're too timid to lane split. You're still an "*******" (using your words) you're just a timid *******.
12 years on two wheels
One accident in that time, a 15mph lowside on pea gravel, no damage to bike or rider
Race training with the California Superbike School
Numerous trackdays
A buell, Yamaha Warrior, Yamaha FZ6, and a HD Iron 883
Many tens of thousands of miles logged cumulatively (probably well over 100K, but I never totaled it all up).
Since I know you love to hear it: If you lane split where its illegal, you look like an ******* to me. Its dangerous and you are endangering others, the principal trait that makes you (you being anyone who does this) look like an *******.
Last edited by parabellum_9x19; Sep 14, 2011 at 02:05 PM.
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From: Hudson Valley, NY
If lane splitting were so dangerous you think California and other states would allow it? You think basically every other state would look the other way when an air cooled bike is lane splitting in 90 degree heat? Of course not, you exaggerate the dangers, it's really not very dangerous, show me some solid stats to back your BS up. Yet in none of those states is riding in the shoulder safe or legal (like you do to avoid traffic). There is debris, metal from crashes in the shoulder, you're blocking emergency vehicles etc...
Get down from that high horse my shoulder riding timid friend...
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From: California
I know that babalu has failed to articulate in a way that makes sense to you but I completely understand what he is saying. Again I am from a state where lane splitting is legal. The hazards of lane splitting have been stated. Now that wonderful shoulder is for breakdowns and emergency use only. A guy in a cage can follow you down that shoulder if he wants. There is all kinds of crap on the shoulder to cause damage to your pike or make you crash. All the dirt and crap from the road tends to migrate to the shoulder cause it is not driven on often. That shoulder is where first responders are gonna drive if they need to get by. Where you gonna go if they need to pass you and theres a fence, guard rail, or wall on one side and cars on the other. Remember these emergency response vehicals could be traveling either way at a high speed.
For me it seems a hell of alot safer to lane split that ride the shoulder. At least there will not be oncomming traffic in between lanes. But thats just my opinion.
For me it seems a hell of alot safer to lane split that ride the shoulder. At least there will not be oncomming traffic in between lanes. But thats just my opinion.
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From: Hudson Valley, NY
It was the ******* thing that got to me. I can even understand someone having that opinion as long as they obey every rule and burn their nuts for three hours sitting on top of a 300 degree engine, I sure as **** ain't gonna do it, I have to ride the Cross Bronx far too often for that ****. But this guy is riding the shoulder in traffic, save your judgment man you're doing the same **** just riding the shoulder which is still illegal, beating traffic, and causing all sorts of other issues...
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Apparently many of people posting here actually never experienced traffic. As someone said earlier, it's either you split lanes or a big *** SUV jumps in your lane while you're stopped. That happened to me countless times and in my area, people love big cars that are too big to park anywhere in the city anyway. You guys have no clue what it entails to ride in a city like D.C. I'm sure you have lots of traffic jams in your mountain roads and around your lakes.
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I know that babalu has failed to articulate in a way that makes sense to you but I completely understand what he is saying. Again I am from a state where lane splitting is legal. The hazards of lane splitting have been stated. Now that wonderful shoulder is for breakdowns and emergency use only. A guy in a cage can follow you down that shoulder if he wants. There is all kinds of crap on the shoulder to cause damage to your pike or make you crash. All the dirt and crap from the road tends to migrate to the shoulder cause it is not driven on often. That shoulder is where first responders are gonna drive if they need to get by. Where you gonna go if they need to pass you and theres a fence, guard rail, or wall on one side and cars on the other. Remember these emergency response vehicals could be traveling either way at a high speed.
For me it seems a hell of alot safer to lane split that ride the shoulder. At least there will not be oncomming traffic in between lanes. But thats just my opinion.
For me it seems a hell of alot safer to lane split that ride the shoulder. At least there will not be oncomming traffic in between lanes. But thats just my opinion.
babalu, take notes on how this is done.
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From: Hudson Valley, NY
Just admit you riding the shoulder to avoid traffic while looking down on folks splitting lanes is retarded and move on already.
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From: Central Illinois
Ok mr. call everyone an ******* LMFAO, your hypocrisy is so glaring you just can't see it. My argument is fine, I go down to the level I am engaged in.
Just admit you riding the shoulder to avoid traffic while looking down on folks splitting lanes is retarded and move on already.
Just admit you riding the shoulder to avoid traffic while looking down on folks splitting lanes is retarded and move on already.
But I still feel that there is a difference, and I will NEVER lane split.
I ran on the shoulder once in my life, and that was in a jam in Nashville TN because a beer truck had caught fire (engine fire) and traffic was stopped dead for an hour, then crawled at speeds low enough to overheat any aircooled bike for another two hours.
Of course, in your great wisdom, I never ride my motorcycle, so I must have trailered it to Nashville for that traffic jam.
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From: California
You know whats funny to me. If the two of you stopped saying that you think the other is a ******* you both just got opposing points of view. Something that this country was build on.
Then again you do sound like a asshat parabellum. Saying that you will ride in the shoulder in a traffic jam in stead of lane split. Honestly a worst case senario durring a trafic jam is bike hits car at 10 mph as opposed to bike hits oncomming ambulance at a combined speed of 55 mph. Just sayin. Feel free to call me what you like.
Then again you do sound like a asshat parabellum. Saying that you will ride in the shoulder in a traffic jam in stead of lane split. Honestly a worst case senario durring a trafic jam is bike hits car at 10 mph as opposed to bike hits oncomming ambulance at a combined speed of 55 mph. Just sayin. Feel free to call me what you like.