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If I see more than one 6 pack or a fifth come through the doors I just quietly start putting tools away , no real work is going to get done anyway . Good luck man .
Yee! I hear ya. Saw em walkin in with a big boxobeer an I pulled out the lawnchairs. I built a tranny under the influence once an made it bout 150 miles before she come apart. Bad news.
ok, now i understand. the way the first post was worded it sounded like it just started happening. now that i know it was like that from day one, i doubt i could offer much help. kind of weird that the ring end gaps were all close together like that. anyway good luck. i hope to learn something from your trials and tribulations.
ok, now i understand. the way the first post was worded it sounded like it just started happening. now that i know it was like that from day one, i doubt i could offer much help. kind of weird that the ring end gaps were all close together like that. anyway good luck. i hope to learn something from your trials and tribulations.
Not really you've never seen gapless rings before ? There are made with interlocking grooves and lip so there is no end gap .
childs and albert rings(gapless) were never a good choice from any engine builder i have ever talked to. i'm not really sure why they were even developed tbo.
total seal also makes them gapless. from what i have just read they were mostly developed for stock car racing classes that required a stock motor. i am guessing they would make a bit more power but are not suitable for an engine that you'd expect to get 100,000 + miles from. am i correct?
total seal also makes them gapless. from what i have just read they were mostly developed for stock car racing classes that required a stock motor. i am guessing they would make a bit more power but are not suitable for an engine that you'd expect to get 100,000 + miles from. am i correct?
Don't know what they where designed for specifically but in a bike unless very strict break in was followed and the builder did a tight correct engine in the first place they almost always break . Been my experience with them anyway . You'd be surprised how many people don't check or set ring end gap anyway , most home guys don't .
i have never blue printed a HD motor but have big and small block chevy's. i get a lot of satisfaction knowing everything i could have done to make the motor run better without spending too much other than time has been done. it did cost a few bucks to buy the tools needed though. i am thinking if i ever get to build my dream bike i will definitely blue print it. i also learned how to port heads just by hanging around machine shops and watching the pro's do it. that and a lot of reading. if i could build motors for a living i would be as happy as a ***** at a rolex convention.
i have never blue printed a HD motor but have big and small block chevy's. i get a lot of satisfaction knowing everything i could have done to make the motor run better without spending too much other than time has been done. it did cost a few bucks to buy the tools needed though. i am thinking if i ever get to build my dream bike i will definitely blue print it. i also learned how to port heads just by hanging around machine shops and watching the pro's do it. that and a lot of reading. if i could build motors for a living i would be as happy as a ***** at a rolex convention.
Gets old after a while . Blue printing a HD motor means your going to have build that motor 3 times on the bench and go through 2 sets of gaskets and it adds about 20 - 25 hrs labor if you do it right .
Difference is a motor that the redlines around 7000rpm makining ponies up to 6300 + with much lower vibration levels in the real usable RPM ranges where the average rider lives , verses 5400rpm max and it feels like it's coming apart .
Had a lot of Evo and now Twinkie guys quit riding with me cause they just can't take a shovel showing them the tail light after they spent $30,000 or more on their hotrod and it comes up lacking .
Last edited by TwiZted Biker; Jan 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM.
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Gets old after a while . Blue printing a HD motor means your going to have build that motor 3 times on the bench and go through 2 sets of gaskets and it adds about 25 hrs labor if you it right .
Difference is a motor a motor the redlines around 7000rpm makining ponies up to 6300 + with much lower vibration levels in the real usable RPM ranges where the average rider lives , verses 5400rpm max and it feels like it's coming apart .
Had a lot of Evo and now Twinkie guys quit riding with me cause they just can't take a shovel showing them the tail light after they spent $30,000 or more on their hotrod and it comes up lacking .
the 400 small block i built for my 70 chevelle got compliments from engine builders i hung out with. the sound alone was worth the hours it took me. no stereo needed. my music was listening to the motor. the only thing i farmed out was the machine work and balancing for obvious reasons. i built two motors for some hot rod guys who had cash they didn't know what to do with and they loved them. the only part i really didn't like was deburring the blocks. i used crower lightweight cranks and rods and preferred comp cams valve trains. those were the days.
i look forward to building a harley motor some day.
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