Helmet ticket correctable??
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From: Puget Sound, WA.
The law IS correctable and not subject to the whim of anyone so long as no other mitigating circumstances nullifying the correction.
The citizens did NOT vote for helmet laws- it was lobbied by law enforcement, insurance companies, and the medical establishment by proxy- again, not by the people that are represented.
Codifying profits into public law is unconstitutional and criminal in action.
Same as seat belt and other "safety laws" - there is no lawful right to have those laws especially when collectivist terms are used to justifying them.
If it's about safety, then put points toward the driver's record, not issue a $100+ dollar ticket. Tax money already pays for police services- no additional income is required unless it's being misappropriated by those agencies and government.
Don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining..
Road Captain
Joined: May 2012
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From: Riverside, CA
great info Sling. Thanks.
I was told by a CHP officer that I bought a bike from that they couldn't give tickets for novelty helmets unless it had a fake DOT sticker on it. That is what he said they ticket because ticketing the helmet gets beat in court. I guess it's hard to prove that you as a buyer bought the novelty helmet knowing it was illegal to wear. or some such **** anyway.
Both my DOT lids have the DOT under the clear coat and not a sticker. Looks like they are imprinted into the lids.
I was told by a CHP officer that I bought a bike from that they couldn't give tickets for novelty helmets unless it had a fake DOT sticker on it. That is what he said they ticket because ticketing the helmet gets beat in court. I guess it's hard to prove that you as a buyer bought the novelty helmet knowing it was illegal to wear. or some such **** anyway.
Both my DOT lids have the DOT under the clear coat and not a sticker. Looks like they are imprinted into the lids.
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From: Midwest
Not quite right- this is not mob rule (democracy) there is equal treatment under the law and fair law.
The law IS correctable and not subject to the whim of anyone so long as no other mitigating circumstances nullifying the correction.
The citizens did NOT vote for helmet laws- it was lobbied by law enforcement, insurance companies, and the medical establishment by proxy- again, not by the people that are represented.
Codifying profits into public law is unconstitutional and criminal in action.
Same as seat belt and other "safety laws" - there is no lawful right to have those laws especially when collectivist terms are used to justifying them.
If it's about safety, then put points toward the driver's record, not issue a $100+ dollar ticket. Tax money already pays for police services- no additional income is required unless it's being misappropriated by those agencies and government.
Don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining..
The law IS correctable and not subject to the whim of anyone so long as no other mitigating circumstances nullifying the correction.
The citizens did NOT vote for helmet laws- it was lobbied by law enforcement, insurance companies, and the medical establishment by proxy- again, not by the people that are represented.
Codifying profits into public law is unconstitutional and criminal in action.
Same as seat belt and other "safety laws" - there is no lawful right to have those laws especially when collectivist terms are used to justifying them.
If it's about safety, then put points toward the driver's record, not issue a $100+ dollar ticket. Tax money already pays for police services- no additional income is required unless it's being misappropriated by those agencies and government.
Don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining..
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From: So Cal The Golden State
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right granted by the Constitution. Nobody has a Constituional right to drive a car on a public road. It is not about rights. It is a privelage that is granted once the applicant demonstrates the ability to operate a motor vehicle. The applicant also signs their name stating they agree to abide by the laws and regulations regarding operating a motor vehicle on public highways.
To OP and all of the other chimps chining in. Here in California real simple, you are to wear a DOT approved helmet, me I go beyond I will not buy a helmet that is also snell aproved.
If you break the law you get a ticket, which because of the state of affairs in California, they are glad to collect.
Now lets get the logic fine over $100.00 Helmet cost less than $100.00---Who said Harley riders are smart.
And that youtube with officer love, he gets paind to stand and right tickets so why should he care if you or the A^^hat in video want to make fools of them selves. Just wondering what was accomplished other than lightening thier wallets.
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From: Bellevue, NE
"Not every question of law is answered as fast as most traffic tickets. The trial took 2 days; it happened in October 2009 - the Judge made about 4 seperate serious errors; the appeal was in summer of 2010. The appeal was denied. There are 2 more "actions" that are pending in this case, even though 999 of 1000 people would have said it's over. I have been to Vacaville many times and cops don't seem to want to write a ticket on any of the helmets in question."
They lost in court, they lost the appeal, and blamed it on the judge making 4 serious errors. I'd say the serious error was knowingly violating the law in hopes of getting a ticket they could beat in court. Oops.
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From: Marina del Rey
It is about money--not safety; control--not caring; growing government--not service.
It is about being stripped of our freedoms by an overwhelming force.
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If you think it's only about the money then I have a way that you can beat the man at his own game - obey the law. Now they won't be collecting the money and you've shown them you won't play their game of just collecting revenue. As we say "It's so simple that even a simpleton can understand it."
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From: Sandpoint, Idaho
Great post, and 100% correct.
To OP and all of the other chimps chining in. Here in California real simple, you are to wear a DOT approved helmet, me I go beyond I will not buy a helmet that is also snell aproved.
If you break the law you get a ticket, which because of the state of affairs in California, they are glad to collect.
Now lets get the logic fine over $100.00 Helmet cost less than $100.00---Who said Harley riders are smart.
And that youtube with officer love, he gets paind to stand and right tickets so why should he care if you or the A^^hat in video want to make fools of them selves. Just wondering what was accomplished other than lightening thier wallets.
To OP and all of the other chimps chining in. Here in California real simple, you are to wear a DOT approved helmet, me I go beyond I will not buy a helmet that is also snell aproved.
If you break the law you get a ticket, which because of the state of affairs in California, they are glad to collect.
Now lets get the logic fine over $100.00 Helmet cost less than $100.00---Who said Harley riders are smart.
And that youtube with officer love, he gets paind to stand and right tickets so why should he care if you or the A^^hat in video want to make fools of them selves. Just wondering what was accomplished other than lightening thier wallets.