Nonsense! I was vice president of a UAW shop for 12 years and many of our employees got canned for poor performance...and some because the boss didn't like them. The union got the unfairly fired employees back with full seniority and wages...the others were out of luck. Bottom line is,ya gotta show up and do your job...and if you do,you should be treated and compensated fairly by your employer....under safe working conditions. If that is Socialism,so be it.......people who haven't seen the other side have no frame of reference...other than anti-union propaganda.

 

Whackone, I think you and I should form our own Union. We can negotiate with ourselves about how much we will pay ourselves. Nothing better than being self employed The bad thing is, if I'm not working I'm not getting paid. Sounds fair to me.

 

I think those of us that have the confidence and skills to make it on our own are a rare breed. I get so tired of people blameing all of their problems on someone else. I'm not, you're not, they're not victims!

 

As a member of ibew local 109, utility co. I was a pipeline welder, I paid dues for 37 years, when I went into the tool room my superviser found that I was a very good mech as well as a welder, knew my crap, no brag, just honest facts. I worked on big equipment, little hyd. hand held presses, Etc, Etc,. he told me that I was worth more then the pay I received as a pipeline welder, but do to UNION restrictions he could not give me more money..does that sound fair? not to me it didn't..then he thought I can put you in Mangement, nope couldn't do that either..I didn't have a High school deploma..so there I was, now the deploma problem was through nobodys fault other then my own, so I do not blame the union for that..we all knew the story at the co. some worked and some didn't but we all got the same fair pay[:@]Oh ILL. is a closed shop, I had no choice of the matter, I had to belong to the union..and I won't even go into how bad the union screwed the retired guys[:@] but the world still goes round and round.

 

OK. . anyhoo. . what do you think this is going to do to retail pricing of HD's? Also do you think availability will be affected? They are getting behind some 400 bikes per day, already 1000 bikes behind, this won't end well for anyone if they don't hurry thru this.

SG

 

I think alot of people who don't work in the construction industry, have alot of pre-concieved notions......The construction trades, the Skilled trades, require the workers to be professionally trained. The unions provide the quality training to thier members, as well as safety training. I was a member of IBEW #113, Colorado Springs, Colorado, before I took an Honorary Withdrawl and re-entered the military, and I still carry my Journeyman Electrician's license in the State of Colorado. What the union did on the job site, was insist on SAFETY. The goal is that everyone gets to go home at the end of the day, they same way they came in that morning. The IBEW, has a no-strike clause, meaning, the Electricians CANNOT Strike! It goes into arbitration, and whatever the outcome is, that's it! Unions are the reason for the words, Vacation, 8 hr. work day, 40-hr. workweek, job safety, hardhat, safety goggles. The OSHA, and other federal organizations you site, were endorsed and pushed forward by the labor unions. Do you like the way Wal-Mart has raped the small business owner? Welcome to the world of a tradesman![&:]

As long as there is greed, there will be a need for unions. I didn't make the money I made out of the owners kindness of his heart. My guess is that any of you who are anti-union would change your tune if you went and worked on a non-union construction site, and then go work on a unionized job site. Threats of being fired used to coerce you to work faster, etc. Look the other way on safety issues, or doing dangerous installations of electrical components that could get soemone killed! I'm not exaggerating! I lived it! There is so much money to be made in construction, that the wages for the workers is only a small portion of what goes out. The majority of the money spent in construction goes to all the permits, federal EPA reg's, and overhead, i.e. all the pretty secretaries, etc., the workers that don't produce product. Free markets, etc. sound great....but there is no level playing field....NAFTA and CAFTA did nothing but weaken the country. Ask yourselfves why we allow China to keep their money de-valued? so that they can cut our throat.

Joe
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Stick up for those brothers............wasn't for them you'ld all be on ricers.......

 

My business is based on providing safety services to the contractors in the damned OIL and GAS industry. Probably the most hazardous of all construction. Contractors in this industry insist on safety because it is "The Right Thing to Do". Workers are valued and are treated fairly because they are hard to replace and become like family. Union contractors have a deplorable safety record compared to non-union companies. Check the safety stats of Pipeliners Union 798 and compairethem to non-union but reputable pipeline contractors like Sterling, Flint, Jo-Max, ETC.

 

[/align][/align]They are already picketing the plant, so who knows how long it will be before the plant goes back into production[/align]

 

HEY GUYS
I work for a gm dealer and i got to tell ya some of the chit that goes on with these dealers is amazing,my 30+ years as a parts consultant/manager and where has it gottene me???maybe 70k
not now yeah i got the house nice bike kids had nice car ,truck etc.But to tell ya if the workers here had the ***** to organize or even join the uaw or a good union think of the domino effect it would have on these dealers,they would have to pay you if they closed you could get replaced to another dealer ,or take a paid leave till something comes along.I have always been a loyal employee and do my job very well(ask anyone) i do go the extra mile ,but when employers treat ya like chiit,dont pay ya cuz they think they are better then you and dont even know who to do your job theres a problem.Remember when amf had harley what was the product like????if i rembember leaks and poor quality,then willie g brings harley back to life with dedicated employees
and support of us who buy them,now harley is to damm big for there briches,why not let the bigshot ceos board members try working for a living on the floor in stead of sitting on there asses and making it difficult for reg workers to make a living.I dont think anyone wants to strike but times here in this buisness im in i wish i were my own boss or had somone that had my back.i support unions good or bad something is better then nothing,

hang in there to all the york workers bend but dont break

just my 2 cents
peter
2001fxdwg2cvo(built at york plant)