Strike at H-D
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: Whackone
My business is based on providing safety services to the contractors in the damned OIL and GAS industry. Probably the most hazardous of all construction. Contractors in this industry insist on safety because it is "The Right Thing to Do". Workers are valued and are treated fairly because they are hard to replace and become like family. Union contractors have a deplorable safety record compared to non-union companies. Check the safety stats of Pipeliners Union 798 and compairethem to non-union but reputable pipeline contractors like Sterling, Flint, Jo-Max, ETC.
My business is based on providing safety services to the contractors in the damned OIL and GAS industry. Probably the most hazardous of all construction. Contractors in this industry insist on safety because it is "The Right Thing to Do". Workers are valued and are treated fairly because they are hard to replace and become like family. Union contractors have a deplorable safety record compared to non-union companies. Check the safety stats of Pipeliners Union 798 and compairethem to non-union but reputable pipeline contractors like Sterling, Flint, Jo-Max, ETC.
Joe
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From: Southern Utah
RE: LOCK OUT at HD
Traveler, in my mind safety is the only thing. If one person gets hurt, then the project is a bust. I'm glad to see you feel the same way. It shouldn't matter if the job is union or non-union, this principle must apply to all.
Ride safe
Ride safe
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: traveler
I think alot of people who don't work in the construction industry, have alot of pre-concieved notions......The construction trades, the Skilled trades, require the workers to be professionally trained. The unions provide the quality training to thier members, as well as safety training. I was a member of IBEW #113, Colorado Springs, Colorado, before I took an Honorary Withdrawl and re-entered the military, and I still carry my Journeyman Electrician's license in the State of Colorado. What the union did on the job site, was insist on SAFETY. The goal is that everyone gets to go home at the end of the day, they same way they came in that morning. The IBEW, has a no-strike clause, meaning, the Electricians CANNOT Strike! It goes into arbitration, and whatever the outcome is, that's it! Unions are the reason for the words, Vacation, 8 hr. work day, 40-hr. workweek, job safety, hardhat, safety goggles. The OSHA, and other federal organizations you site, were endorsed and pushed forward by the labor unions. Do you like the way Wal-Mart has raped the small business owner? Welcome to the world of a tradesman![&:]
As long as there is greed, there will be a need for unions. I didn't make the money I made out of the owners kindness of his heart. My guess is that any of you who are anti-union would change your tune if you went and worked on a non-union construction site, and then go work on a unionized job site. Threats of being fired used to coerce you to work faster, etc. Look the other way on safety issues, or doing dangerous installations of electrical components that could get soemone killed! I'm not exaggerating! I lived it! There is so much money to be made in construction, that the wages for the workers is only a small portion of what goes out. The majority of the money spent in construction goes to all the permits, federal EPA reg's, and overhead, i.e. all the pretty secretaries, etc., the workers that don't produce product. Free markets, etc. sound great....but there is no level playing field....NAFTA and CAFTA did nothing but weaken the country. Ask yourselfves why we allow China to keep their money de-valued? so that they can cut our throat.
Joe
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I think alot of people who don't work in the construction industry, have alot of pre-concieved notions......The construction trades, the Skilled trades, require the workers to be professionally trained. The unions provide the quality training to thier members, as well as safety training. I was a member of IBEW #113, Colorado Springs, Colorado, before I took an Honorary Withdrawl and re-entered the military, and I still carry my Journeyman Electrician's license in the State of Colorado. What the union did on the job site, was insist on SAFETY. The goal is that everyone gets to go home at the end of the day, they same way they came in that morning. The IBEW, has a no-strike clause, meaning, the Electricians CANNOT Strike! It goes into arbitration, and whatever the outcome is, that's it! Unions are the reason for the words, Vacation, 8 hr. work day, 40-hr. workweek, job safety, hardhat, safety goggles. The OSHA, and other federal organizations you site, were endorsed and pushed forward by the labor unions. Do you like the way Wal-Mart has raped the small business owner? Welcome to the world of a tradesman![&:]
As long as there is greed, there will be a need for unions. I didn't make the money I made out of the owners kindness of his heart. My guess is that any of you who are anti-union would change your tune if you went and worked on a non-union construction site, and then go work on a unionized job site. Threats of being fired used to coerce you to work faster, etc. Look the other way on safety issues, or doing dangerous installations of electrical components that could get soemone killed! I'm not exaggerating! I lived it! There is so much money to be made in construction, that the wages for the workers is only a small portion of what goes out. The majority of the money spent in construction goes to all the permits, federal EPA reg's, and overhead, i.e. all the pretty secretaries, etc., the workers that don't produce product. Free markets, etc. sound great....but there is no level playing field....NAFTA and CAFTA did nothing but weaken the country. Ask yourselfves why we allow China to keep their money de-valued? so that they can cut our throat.
Joe
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Well said brother.
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: bosnmate
Whackone, I think you and I should form our own Union. We can negotiate with ourselves about how much we will pay ourselves. Nothing better than being self employed
The bad thing is, if I'm not working I'm not getting paid. Sounds fair to me.
Whackone, I think you and I should form our own Union. We can negotiate with ourselves about how much we will pay ourselves. Nothing better than being self employed
The bad thing is, if I'm not working I'm not getting paid. Sounds fair to me.
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: Whackone
I think those of us that have the confidence and skills to make it on our own are a rare breed. I get so tired of people blameing all of their problems on someone else. I'm not, you're not, they're not victims!
I think those of us that have the confidence and skills to make it on our own are a rare breed. I get so tired of people blameing all of their problems on someone else. I'm not, you're not, they're not victims!
Pay me what I'm worth, not what everyone else is making. I'll make my own way....so far, in 27 years, it's been pretty darn lucrative for me. No sense in giving some "represenative" money for nothing.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, become shop stewards.
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: traveler
I think alot of people who don't work in the construction industry, have alot of pre-concieved notions......The construction trades, the Skilled trades, require the workers to be professionally trained. The unions provide the quality training to thier members, as well as safety training. I was a member of IBEW #113, Colorado Springs, Colorado, before I took an Honorary Withdrawl and re-entered the military, and I still carry my Journeyman Electrician's license in the State of Colorado. What the union did on the job site, was insist on SAFETY. The goal is that everyone gets to go home at the end of the day, they same way they came in that morning. The IBEW, has a no-strike clause, meaning, the Electricians CANNOT Strike! It goes into arbitration, and whatever the outcome is, that's it! Unions are the reason for the words, Vacation, 8 hr. work day, 40-hr. workweek, job safety, hardhat, safety goggles. The OSHA, and other federal organizations you site, were endorsed and pushed forward by the labor unions. Do you like the way Wal-Mart has raped the small business owner? Welcome to the world of a tradesman![&:]
As long as there is greed, there will be a need for unions. I didn't make the money I made out of the owners kindness of his heart. My guess is that any of you who are anti-union would change your tune if you went and worked on a non-union construction site, and then go work on a unionized job site. Threats of being fired used to coerce you to work faster, etc. Look the other way on safety issues, or doing dangerous installations of electrical components that could get soemone killed! I'm not exaggerating! I lived it! There is so much money to be made in construction, that the wages for the workers is only a small portion of what goes out. The majority of the money spent in construction goes to all the permits, federal EPA reg's, and overhead, i.e. all the pretty secretaries, etc., the workers that don't produce product. Free markets, etc. sound great....but there is no level playing field....NAFTA and CAFTA did nothing but weaken the country. Ask yourselfves why we allow China to keep their money de-valued? so that they can cut our throat.
Joe
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I think alot of people who don't work in the construction industry, have alot of pre-concieved notions......The construction trades, the Skilled trades, require the workers to be professionally trained. The unions provide the quality training to thier members, as well as safety training. I was a member of IBEW #113, Colorado Springs, Colorado, before I took an Honorary Withdrawl and re-entered the military, and I still carry my Journeyman Electrician's license in the State of Colorado. What the union did on the job site, was insist on SAFETY. The goal is that everyone gets to go home at the end of the day, they same way they came in that morning. The IBEW, has a no-strike clause, meaning, the Electricians CANNOT Strike! It goes into arbitration, and whatever the outcome is, that's it! Unions are the reason for the words, Vacation, 8 hr. work day, 40-hr. workweek, job safety, hardhat, safety goggles. The OSHA, and other federal organizations you site, were endorsed and pushed forward by the labor unions. Do you like the way Wal-Mart has raped the small business owner? Welcome to the world of a tradesman![&:]
As long as there is greed, there will be a need for unions. I didn't make the money I made out of the owners kindness of his heart. My guess is that any of you who are anti-union would change your tune if you went and worked on a non-union construction site, and then go work on a unionized job site. Threats of being fired used to coerce you to work faster, etc. Look the other way on safety issues, or doing dangerous installations of electrical components that could get soemone killed! I'm not exaggerating! I lived it! There is so much money to be made in construction, that the wages for the workers is only a small portion of what goes out. The majority of the money spent in construction goes to all the permits, federal EPA reg's, and overhead, i.e. all the pretty secretaries, etc., the workers that don't produce product. Free markets, etc. sound great....but there is no level playing field....NAFTA and CAFTA did nothing but weaken the country. Ask yourselfves why we allow China to keep their money de-valued? so that they can cut our throat.
Joe
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Just got the final numbers for 2006 yesterday....let's say the industry average is 25.3 % lost time per thousand manhours. Our company numbers are .4%. The 10 year average is 1.2%
We are not union.
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RE: LOCK OUT at HD
ORIGINAL: Whackone
My business is based on providing safety services to the contractors in the damned OIL and GAS industry. Probably the most hazardous of all construction. Contractors in this industry insist on safety because it is "The Right Thing to Do". Workers are valued and are treated fairly because they are hard to replace and become like family. Union contractors have a deplorable safety record compared to non-union companies. Check the safety stats of Pipeliners Union 798 and compairethem to non-union but reputable pipeline contractors like Sterling, Flint, Jo-Max, ETC.
My business is based on providing safety services to the contractors in the damned OIL and GAS industry. Probably the most hazardous of all construction. Contractors in this industry insist on safety because it is "The Right Thing to Do". Workers are valued and are treated fairly because they are hard to replace and become like family. Union contractors have a deplorable safety record compared to non-union companies. Check the safety stats of Pipeliners Union 798 and compairethem to non-union but reputable pipeline contractors like Sterling, Flint, Jo-Max, ETC.
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Jimbo and Whack, I asked the boss if we could go strike for higher wages. She said we need to live on our allowance and be happy with it. Allthough the boss here gives a pretty good fringe benefit.
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From: IN
RE: LOCK OUT at HD
MY 2 CENTS ON UNIONS. I was a teamster for 5 yrs. all it did for me was garranty getting laid off and the lazy azz old timers more time to sit around and read the paper. maybe 60 70 yrs ago they helped, but now we have laws. bottom line is unions will causeall our jobs to move tomexico! look how bad the big 3 are.