No Weapons Allowed!!
Road Warrior
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I'm not, if you are going to quote stats could you please point us to where you got them and I mean reliable stats, not just some blog or some such thing. You sound pretty sure of yourself so I assume the sources you quote should not be hard for you to link to.
EDIT.....I assume that if your 2/3 number is correct, if all firearms were taken away from everyone then probably all murders would be committed by other means. People would still be getting killed, it would just be a little harder to do it. We all know that less people would get killed then. After all, someone is not going to go out of their way to kill anyone if it is not easy to do, 9/11 is a good example of that. Problem is if someone breaks into my house with an ax and all I have is kitchen knife....that sucks. Or in the case of this conversation, if he goes out to his truck and gets a gun or say, an ax and all I have it an air cleaner cover that's hanging on the wall next to me....that sucks too.
EDIT.....I assume that if your 2/3 number is correct, if all firearms were taken away from everyone then probably all murders would be committed by other means. People would still be getting killed, it would just be a little harder to do it. We all know that less people would get killed then. After all, someone is not going to go out of their way to kill anyone if it is not easy to do, 9/11 is a good example of that. Problem is if someone breaks into my house with an ax and all I have is kitchen knife....that sucks. Or in the case of this conversation, if he goes out to his truck and gets a gun or say, an ax and all I have it an air cleaner cover that's hanging on the wall next to me....that sucks too.
And where did you come up with removing firearms? I never said, advocated, or implied that. I'm all for gun ownership. Have you followed what I've been responding to?
Road Warrior
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From: Raleigh, NC
Actually my "rights" do not end on private property,I just do not have the right to trespass nor have I ever thought I did.A private citizen has no authority at all on my rights,or do I on his.My 'Rights" cannot be revoked by someone who doesn't agree with them any more than I could revoke their right to free speech if I don't like what they are saying.A business owner has every right to post signs as he sees fit and we have the right to do business elsewhere if we choose.If somehow he believes a person is not abiding by the signs he has the right to ask them to leave and they must or they are trespassing however he has no say over their rights.I don't disagree with the rest of what you posted.
You do not have the "right" to say whatever you want to in my house. You do not have the right to make a speech to the patrons of a restaurant, and you do not have the right to carry a weapon on to someone else's property if they don't want you to. Those aren't rights that are being revoked because they're rights that you don't have.
The Bill of Rights is about what the government may not restrict. You are free to restrict whatever you want on your property, which is why I said that your "right's" end at someone else's property line.
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If I remember right, you can be a criminal without actually committing one.
I believe they call it conspiracy to commit a crime or something like that??
Also according to most stats I've seen, people with carry permits are far less apt to commit crimes than non carry.
Al
I believe they call it conspiracy to commit a crime or something like that??
Also according to most stats I've seen, people with carry permits are far less apt to commit crimes than non carry.
Al
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I would tell the manager that I will not uses their store . My gun is a tool and I am the weapon. No tools aloud. As far as CCW we are responsible for our own safety said the supreme court. Cops can not be help responsible for crimes that are committed not in their presents.
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And where did you come up with removing firearms? I never said, advocated, or implied that. I'm all for gun ownership. Have you followed what I've been responding to?
And where did you come up with removing firearms? I never said, advocated, or implied that. I'm all for gun ownership. Have you followed what I've been responding to?
As far as you wanting to remove all firearms, I just get a little over zealous sometimes.
Back to keeping all of us from entering a bldg with a weapon, as I said in a previous post, if someone gets pissed to the point of going combat I don't think the fact that they don't have a gun is going to stop them.
A highly agitated person will grab whatever is close at hand or go out to their bike, car, truck or whatever and get a tire iron, ball bat, you name it. If someone does that, I want to have a way to quickly and efficiently neutralize them.
If a business does not want me to have that advantage, I will take my $$$ elsewhere.
EDIT....I'm going for a ride to see how many businesses I can walk into with my gun so if you respond to me again and I don't get back to you right away, be patient. I shouldn't be gone more than a couple hours.
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Road Warrior
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OK, now I'm happy. Good to know that if I decide to kill someone a gun is the preferred method by 67.5% of folks that do that sort of thing.
As far as you wanting to remove all firearms, I just get a little over zealous sometimes.
Back to keeping all of us from entering a bldg with a weapon, as I said in a previous post, if someone gets pissed to the point of going combat I don't think the fact that they don't have a gun is going to stop them.
A highly agitated person will grab whatever is close at hand or go out to their bike, car, truck or whatever and get a tire iron, ball bat, you name it.
As far as you wanting to remove all firearms, I just get a little over zealous sometimes.
Back to keeping all of us from entering a bldg with a weapon, as I said in a previous post, if someone gets pissed to the point of going combat I don't think the fact that they don't have a gun is going to stop them.
A highly agitated person will grab whatever is close at hand or go out to their bike, car, truck or whatever and get a tire iron, ball bat, you name it.
If someone does that, I want to have a way to quickly and efficiently neutralize them.
If a business does not want me to have that advantage, I will take my $$$ elsewhere.
EDIT....I'm going for a ride to see how many businesses I can walk into with my gun so if you respond to me again and I don't get back to you right away, be patient. I shouldn't be gone more than a couple hours.
If a business does not want me to have that advantage, I will take my $$$ elsewhere.
EDIT....I'm going for a ride to see how many businesses I can walk into with my gun so if you respond to me again and I don't get back to you right away, be patient. I shouldn't be gone more than a couple hours.
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