07 Deuce stuck in neutral
Tourer
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From: South Carolina
That snap ring is a beast. Be real careful because when we installed a reduced effort clutch that thing fought us and then when it decided to come out it came out with a vengeance and attacked my brothers face lol.
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From: St.Louis Mo.
are you turning the cable adjuster all the way in before you adjust the clutch ? i didn't see where you were doing this first. then you can adjust the play in the clutch pack. if ti was fine before you fooled with it and would get an service manual and do some reading up on it.
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Cruiser
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From: Chattanooga, TN
It looks like the major problem was that I mistook tension on the set screw for beginning to seat. I turned it all the way and now I'm goin after longer cable and trans fluid.
There was tesy no need to open the ramp housing/cover. It was all in order. I am going to get a longer cable or cable set because I'm want it go with taller bars.
Thanks for the help. I'll get it put together and report back.
There was tesy no need to open the ramp housing/cover. It was all in order. I am going to get a longer cable or cable set because I'm want it go with taller bars.
Thanks for the help. I'll get it put together and report back.
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Black Hills SD
Ok...
1st bike, 1st Harley.
Not 1st day with a wrench in my hand. My knuckles have bled consistently for 20 years.
So, I've had the bike for a week. I noticed that it 'clunked' in to 1st on my first ride. But it shifted and drove great and it's my 1st bike, so it could have done anything short of exploding underneath me and I would have been happy.
Here is where the trouble started:
After I moved my mini apes forward some and adjusted handlebar controls up for my little sausage fingers, I noticed that the clutch cable seemed tight. I decide to route it to the front side of the bars to relieve some of the tension. I got in a hurry, didn't do any research, and instead of moving the cable adjuster to remove the lever, I used a screwdriver to pry the cable out of the lever housing, rerouted it and forced it back in. Success. Or, so I thought.
I went to check everything out and had trouble getting in to 1st and then it hit first REAL hard twice. Then it just 'clunked' in to gear a few times and I called it a night.
After all of this, I have read through the forum to learn to properly adjust the clutch and watched a bunch of videos dozens of times.
Today, I adjusted in the primary just as everyone has instructed. The only thing I may have missed is pulling the lever 3-4 times while adjusting the set screw and setting and backing off the set screw 3-4 times before buttoning up.
I plan to try that tomorrow. Here is my question:
When I first adjusted the set screw it backed out a very long way before it felt free to tighten back up (like 1/4" +). If I turn until what I feel as resistance, back it out a 1/2 turn, tighten locknut, button up and adjust cable to 1/16 - 1/8, I am now stuck in neutral. I can put it in any gear. But the bike still rolls free like neutral. What gives?
Am I supposed to feel NO resistance at all then when I feel a little it's at the bottom. There was some tension on the set screw as I moved it to the bottom. It seems like I'm pulling the clutch (at the primary) pretty far, just watching it move, like I may be locking the clutch in place. And when I pull the loose lever while the cover is off, the clutch does not move.
What am I missing here? Have I stretched the cable or broken the mechanism in the cover on the transmission where it attaches. Help a fella out. I really enjoy riding this thing and I just spent all my money on parts to get rid of the HD Skull theme the bike is sporting now. :/
1st bike, 1st Harley.
Not 1st day with a wrench in my hand. My knuckles have bled consistently for 20 years.
So, I've had the bike for a week. I noticed that it 'clunked' in to 1st on my first ride. But it shifted and drove great and it's my 1st bike, so it could have done anything short of exploding underneath me and I would have been happy.
Here is where the trouble started:
After I moved my mini apes forward some and adjusted handlebar controls up for my little sausage fingers, I noticed that the clutch cable seemed tight. I decide to route it to the front side of the bars to relieve some of the tension. I got in a hurry, didn't do any research, and instead of moving the cable adjuster to remove the lever, I used a screwdriver to pry the cable out of the lever housing, rerouted it and forced it back in. Success. Or, so I thought.
I went to check everything out and had trouble getting in to 1st and then it hit first REAL hard twice. Then it just 'clunked' in to gear a few times and I called it a night.
After all of this, I have read through the forum to learn to properly adjust the clutch and watched a bunch of videos dozens of times.
Today, I adjusted in the primary just as everyone has instructed. The only thing I may have missed is pulling the lever 3-4 times while adjusting the set screw and setting and backing off the set screw 3-4 times before buttoning up.
I plan to try that tomorrow. Here is my question:
When I first adjusted the set screw it backed out a very long way before it felt free to tighten back up (like 1/4" +). If I turn until what I feel as resistance, back it out a 1/2 turn, tighten locknut, button up and adjust cable to 1/16 - 1/8, I am now stuck in neutral. I can put it in any gear. But the bike still rolls free like neutral. What gives?
Am I supposed to feel NO resistance at all then when I feel a little it's at the bottom. There was some tension on the set screw as I moved it to the bottom. It seems like I'm pulling the clutch (at the primary) pretty far, just watching it move, like I may be locking the clutch in place. And when I pull the loose lever while the cover is off, the clutch does not move.
What am I missing here? Have I stretched the cable or broken the mechanism in the cover on the transmission where it attaches. Help a fella out. I really enjoy riding this thing and I just spent all my money on parts to get rid of the HD Skull theme the bike is sporting now. :/
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Cruiser
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From: Chattanooga, TN
Thanks for the encouragement. I guess I'll just sell all my tools on craigslist and buy a Japanese station wagon.
So to bother you...
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Black Hills SD
You are right. It's just that I have become a little jaded after nearly thirty years of fixing motorcycles that never needed fixing, until someone fixed it.
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Cruiser
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From: Chattanooga, TN
Did they pay you for your work over the 30 years or was it like some sort of motorcycle repair death camp?
I'm sorry that you have hated your work life for 30 years. It's never to late to change, they say.
Just look at me. I am humbly admitting my mistakes while asking questions about doing NEW things that enrich my life and my skill set. And, by the way, you should have seen the proudest smile ever that my 3 year son gave when he took of my derby cover this morning. Man, it was awesome.
But, I guess not as awesome as a life lived in a motorcycle repair death camp...
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Cruiser
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From: Chattanooga, TN
As of now
I drained the trans fluid. It was red. Not clear or yellowish like the new fluid. The drain plug did have some fine metal shavings on it. I removed the trans side cover and replaced the old cable with a new one that's a couple inches longer. The snap ring wasn't a problem and reassembling the ramp mechanism was easy enough.
New, a new problem.
I can pull the throw out bearing with my hands easily. Another small rod follows it but I have pulled it out yet. The end of the throw out rod is cupped to match the end of the rod still in the trans. I haven't had time to read the manual carefully, but just as a trial, I tried to put the cover back on and through throw out bearing won't allow me to push in on. Now I'm really stuck.
Any ideas?
New, a new problem.
I can pull the throw out bearing with my hands easily. Another small rod follows it but I have pulled it out yet. The end of the throw out rod is cupped to match the end of the rod still in the trans. I haven't had time to read the manual carefully, but just as a trial, I tried to put the cover back on and through throw out bearing won't allow me to push in on. Now I'm really stuck.
Any ideas?
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Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Chattanooga, TN
I drained the trans fluid. It was red. Not clear or yellowish like the new fluid. The drain plug did have some fine metal shavings on it. I removed the trans side cover and replaced the old cable with a new one that's a couple inches longer. The snap ring wasn't a problem and reassembling the ramp mechanism was easy enough.
New, a new problem.
I can pull the throw out bearing with my hands easily. Another small rod follows it but I have pulled it out yet. The end of the throw out rod is cupped to match the end of the rod still in the trans. I haven't had time to read the manual carefully, but just as a trial, I tried to put the cover back on and through throw out bearing won't allow me to push in on. Now I'm really stuck.
Any ideas?
New, a new problem.
I can pull the throw out bearing with my hands easily. Another small rod follows it but I have pulled it out yet. The end of the throw out rod is cupped to match the end of the rod still in the trans. I haven't had time to read the manual carefully, but just as a trial, I tried to put the cover back on and through throw out bearing won't allow me to push in on. Now I'm really stuck.
Any ideas?
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 304
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From: Black Hills SD
That's an awful lot of experience. I'll bet with all of that experience you could have work up a much more intelligent and helpful response than an Aunt Bee quote.
Did they pay you for your work over the 30 years or was it like some sort of motorcycle repair death camp?
I'm sorry that you have hated your work life for 30 years. It's never to late to change, they say.
Just look at me. I am humbly admitting my mistakes while asking questions about doing NEW things that enrich my life and my skill set. And, by the way, you should have seen the proudest smile ever that my 3 year son gave when he took of my derby cover this morning. Man, it was awesome.
But, I guess not as awesome as a life lived in a motorcycle repair death camp...
Did they pay you for your work over the 30 years or was it like some sort of motorcycle repair death camp?
I'm sorry that you have hated your work life for 30 years. It's never to late to change, they say.
Just look at me. I am humbly admitting my mistakes while asking questions about doing NEW things that enrich my life and my skill set. And, by the way, you should have seen the proudest smile ever that my 3 year son gave when he took of my derby cover this morning. Man, it was awesome.
But, I guess not as awesome as a life lived in a motorcycle repair death camp...