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Old May 22, 2014 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalSoftailSlim
Seems to me the neck injury argument is very flawed. First of all, the study to have found that is from 1986, when helmets were far different than they are now and there were fewer riders on the road to use as sample cases.

Further, the neck injury study was conducted by a lone economics professor in Maine, not a research institution.

Stack that against the John Hopkins U School of Medicine study released in 2011 and sampling 40,000 motorcycle collisions from 2002 to 2006. If found that use of at least a DOT helmet not only made a rider 22% less likely to suffer cervical spine injury than those without helmets.

It also found a reduction in risk of traumatic brain injury in helmet wearers (65%) and decreased odds of death (37%).

Studies aside, it's pretty common sense that wearing a helmet is safer than going without. Some, not all, but some just won't accept that because they don't want to admit that they are rolling the dice big time by not wearing a helmet.

For me, it's a pretty simple choice. The helmet just feels better on the bike. Not because it makes me feel safe, even though I am safer with it. But because on my rides over the years it has blocked out white noise, debris, winged creatures, excessive heat, cold, rain, snow, and all manner of crap.

A good full is now the best option for me. No lift like a 1/2 helmet and if you pick the right one, all the open feel of a 3/4.

YMMV. But please don't make up silly arguments that wearing a helmet is more dangerous. We all know it's not.
I've served as a volunteer corner worker at the track for several years. In that time I've seen too many crashes to count but no fatal ones. In almost all of them, the riders head bounces and tumbles across the pavement at 60-100 MPH. Something that I would guess would be fatal without a helmet. Helmets are a write off after this. To me the 37% from the John Hopkins study seems way too low to reflect the reality I've seen.

The NHTSA recently reported, in 2013, a 10x difference in fatality rates between helmet law states and no helmet law states. Track stats would be much, much, much higher, due to the fact only ECE FF helmets are used and there are no cars, park benches, trains, or other large, immovable stuff that would kill you regardless if you used a helmet or not.

My point is the isolated effect of a helmet on mortal head injuries, particularly a FF helmet, is much, much, greater than 37%.
 

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Old May 22, 2014 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fat_tony
My point is the isolated effect of a helmet on mortal head injuries, particularly a FF helmet, is much, much, greater than 37%.
Even more important, IMO, is that no 'study' does, or can, account for people that have accidents in which a helmet allows a rider to get up and walk, or even ride, away. As opposed to riders that have an otherwise minor accident except for the fact that their unprotected head bounces on something solid.

'Mortal' injuries are irrelevant IMO.
 

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Old May 23, 2014 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rage1187
Ok, let me outline this conversation first based on the sensativity of the conversation.

Not looking for a debate, or why, or how unsafe etc...
So, you knew where this was going from the start then.
 
Old May 23, 2014 | 09:19 AM
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OP: See what I mean? One mention of helmets, in any context, leads to a raft of BS from all the "I'm right and you're wrong" types.
Ten pages and still going with the same tired arguments from both sides.
Never ceases to amaze me.......
 
Old May 23, 2014 | 09:59 AM
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I'm all for choice. It should be the individual's call to wear a helmet or not. My perspective was formed by 25 years on a major metropolitan fire department. During that time I rolled on numerous motorcycle accidents and one point that was graphically driven home to me is that the various components that comprise the human head tend to come apart on contact with pavement or obstacles at relatively slow speeds if they are unprotected. I wear a helmet. It is no guarantee but I'll take any assist I can get. Like I said... it's your choice to make.
 
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