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what actually causes death?
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ORIGINAL: electaRICK
ahhhhh,, I was told,,,,,, if I were to reach out and touch that 13,200 volt
Primary wire,,,, it CAUSES DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahhhhh,, I was told,,,,,, if I were to reach out and touch that 13,200 volt
Primary wire,,,, it CAUSES DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: what actually causes death?
ORIGINAL: Windfairy
I wrote this in response to another thread....
My son's $600 Shoei full face helmet was sitting on his bed when he died. It was a late night (early morning ride) with his roommates wife on the back, with the other Shoei full face on when she fell off. He died after traveling down a a expance of bob wire and stopped when his head hit a fence post that held up the only gate in the pasture. It was on a country road near base at Ft. Hood Texas. After investigation it was found he went thru a stop sign and was traveling at a high rate of speed when he went out of control. Not one of his brothers tried to stop him and they defended him when they were interviewed during the investigation. This is the Army way. He had been riding since he could hold up a bike. Would his helmet saved his life? Maybe, but it also could have rendered him paralized. I made the decision after two days to disconnect him from life support, knowing he died upon hitting the pole,and let his body go. The head nurse in the ICU said is was one of the worst head injuries he had ever seen. He had brain matter exiting out of his ears, and his brain stem had been severed. He had damage to C2-C4 vert. His brain had bounced around in his stull to the point it was mush....
I was asked to donate his organs, only to find out that in Texas if there is ANY sign of brain wave action that they would not use his major organs for donations. They said there was some kind of inner brain activity...nice to know when you are about to pull the plug. This is a law in only a few states to prevent harvesting of organs on not so dead humans. His beautiful blue eyes were used, tissue was used to save burn victims and much more. He died doing what he loved, riding.
Am I less of a Gold Star Mom because he died on his motorcycle?
My reality is when I get on my bike, he is with me. I wear a full face when I ride my XB9 and use a 3/4 when I am on the lowrider.Bless all those who are serving and have served.
In the Wind,
Windfairy.
P.S. I talked to him hours before, told him to wear his helmet,,,,more importantly I was able to tell him I love him.......
I wrote this in response to another thread....
My son's $600 Shoei full face helmet was sitting on his bed when he died. It was a late night (early morning ride) with his roommates wife on the back, with the other Shoei full face on when she fell off. He died after traveling down a a expance of bob wire and stopped when his head hit a fence post that held up the only gate in the pasture. It was on a country road near base at Ft. Hood Texas. After investigation it was found he went thru a stop sign and was traveling at a high rate of speed when he went out of control. Not one of his brothers tried to stop him and they defended him when they were interviewed during the investigation. This is the Army way. He had been riding since he could hold up a bike. Would his helmet saved his life? Maybe, but it also could have rendered him paralized. I made the decision after two days to disconnect him from life support, knowing he died upon hitting the pole,and let his body go. The head nurse in the ICU said is was one of the worst head injuries he had ever seen. He had brain matter exiting out of his ears, and his brain stem had been severed. He had damage to C2-C4 vert. His brain had bounced around in his stull to the point it was mush....
I was asked to donate his organs, only to find out that in Texas if there is ANY sign of brain wave action that they would not use his major organs for donations. They said there was some kind of inner brain activity...nice to know when you are about to pull the plug. This is a law in only a few states to prevent harvesting of organs on not so dead humans. His beautiful blue eyes were used, tissue was used to save burn victims and much more. He died doing what he loved, riding.
Am I less of a Gold Star Mom because he died on his motorcycle?
My reality is when I get on my bike, he is with me. I wear a full face when I ride my XB9 and use a 3/4 when I am on the lowrider.Bless all those who are serving and have served.
In the Wind,
Windfairy.
P.S. I talked to him hours before, told him to wear his helmet,,,,more importantly I was able to tell him I love him.......
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RE: what actually causes death?
ORIGINAL: Bad Mojo
From the Hurt report summary, which is the most extensive study on motorcycle accidents available... shame it's like 28 years old, I would be curious if these findings still ring true...
44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.
45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.
46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.
47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.
48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.
49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.
50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.
51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.
52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.
From the Hurt report summary, which is the most extensive study on motorcycle accidents available... shame it's like 28 years old, I would be curious if these findings still ring true...
44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.
45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.
46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.
47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.
48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.
49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.
50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.
51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.
52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.
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RE: what actually causes death?
Preferring not to wear a helmet is your choice (assuming you live in a state that permits it), but arguing that the science is flawed because you choose not to wear a helmet is rationalization. It's like discounting the studies that say if you eat too much of the wrong things you'll get fat. Or, refusing to believe that the sky is blue.
Don't wear one if you want, but don't talk yourself into believing you're safer without one.
Edit: I don't always wear a helmet. My choice.
I've read comments about wearing a helmet in the car. Not needed because I use seatbelts and have an airbag, again proven to lower risk of serious injury.
Don't wear one if you want, but don't talk yourself into believing you're safer without one.
Edit: I don't always wear a helmet. My choice.
I've read comments about wearing a helmet in the car. Not needed because I use seatbelts and have an airbag, again proven to lower risk of serious injury.
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RE: what actually causes death?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Panhead_1_9_4_8
I hesitate to respond to this .... as this debate has been played out a million times. First off ... this study is not only old, it is flawed. Here is one link http://usff.com/hldlhome.htmlthere are many others (if youchoose to look)... but they've been posted a million times as well. For me, I've looked at the evidence and decided that a helmet is not for me and I don't like them. Fortunately, I live in a state where I can decide for myself to wear one or not. I DON'T JUDGE those who CHOOSE to wear one. I feel bad for those who don't have the right to make that choice. I don't understand why this keeps coming up. If you choose to wear a helmet ... why do you need constant reinforcement that you made the right decision? If your state decides for you ... be happy, change the law, move, or suck it up. I've looked at many posts on this forum about this subject and here is what I conclude. You rarely see any non-helmet wearers bringing this subject up ... there is more current scientific evidence to suggest a helmet really doesn't matter, and in many instances actually contribute to injuries ... There are a faction of people that just enjoy having a goverment telling them what they should do, and this faction likes telling others what to do. Ever notice that the pro helmet crowd ... after convincing themselves that wearing a helmet is safer ... don't wear one in their car. Applying the same logic ... it should be safer right? Fact is .. in many states ... you could
ORIGINAL: Bad Mojo
From the Hurt report summary, which is the most extensive study on motorcycle accidents available... shame it's like 28 years old, I would be curious if these findings still ring true...
44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.
45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.
46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.
47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.
48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.
49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.
50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.
51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.
52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.
From the Hurt report summary, which is the most extensive study on motorcycle accidents available... shame it's like 28 years old, I would be curious if these findings still ring true...
44. Approximately 50% of the motorcycle riders in traffic were using safety helmets but only 40% of the accident-involved motorcycle riders were wearing helmets at the time of the accident.
45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.
46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.
47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.
48. Safety helmet use caused no attenuation of critical traffic sounds, no limitation of precrash visual field, and no fatigue or loss of attention; no element of accident causation was related to helmet use.
49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.
50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.
51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.
52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.
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RE: what actually causes death?
I had to laugh at this. I understand you might feel immortal by wearing protective gear, but it obviously does not apply to everyone thank God.
By your line of reasoning, people in cars (well protected) would be driving all crazy everywhere taking so much risk, crash-ups would be at every street corner.
Semi trucks would be crashing up all over the place because the driverswould feel safer than regualr people and would risk more.
It would be mass chaos on the streets, law makers would ban air bags and seat beltsbecause people feel too safe!
I feel safer wearing protective gear, but it doesn't make me take any risk I wouldn't take otherwise...
BTW, you need to stop all that crashing-up. Before you hurt someone who ain't wearing a helmet!
lp
By your line of reasoning, people in cars (well protected) would be driving all crazy everywhere taking so much risk, crash-ups would be at every street corner.
Semi trucks would be crashing up all over the place because the driverswould feel safer than regualr people and would risk more.
It would be mass chaos on the streets, law makers would ban air bags and seat beltsbecause people feel too safe!
I feel safer wearing protective gear, but it doesn't make me take any risk I wouldn't take otherwise...
BTW, you need to stop all that crashing-up. Before you hurt someone who ain't wearing a helmet!
lp
ORIGINAL: tireater
The more safety gear I wear - the more immortalI feel - I blew a turn at 60 + on the DRZ and was laughing like a crazy manas I went bouncing across a field - I was wearing so much protective gear - it seemed impossible to get hurt....
The more safety gear I wear - the more immortalI feel - I blew a turn at 60 + on the DRZ and was laughing like a crazy manas I went bouncing across a field - I was wearing so much protective gear - it seemed impossible to get hurt....