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Old Jul 29, 2014 | 12:41 PM
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The new Indians idle warm, stock, at 750RPM.
That indian isn't a Harley either.
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tmanbuckhunter
That indian isn't a Harley either.
That Indian isn't an Indian either
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tmanbuckhunter
Nope. An unbalanced motor with both rods inline on the crank will beat itself to death unless the idle is set at a certain RPM. If you want to run your idle that low and destroy your bottom end that's fine with me... I hope you do more riding than idling.

Again, has nothing to do with oil pressure or flow. As long as the oil pump on a pan/shovel/evo is primed, it doesn't need that much pressure to operate. It is not really an oil "pump" system but an oil "flow" system.
I'm not one of those that advocates shooting for 500 or 550rpm. Yeah those videos on youboob are cool to hear...the ultra super low idle ancients. BUT...I'm sure lots here will agree...the sound of a Shovel or Pan is not from SUPER low idle. Yes it will idle lower than the twinkies...but I'm probably at 750-800rpm. The sound is still much different...from many other factors.
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 03:58 PM
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The old Harley's have heavier fly wheels and sound a lot like the old green Johnny Popper two cyl. with a massive fly wheel.
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat
I'm not one of those that advocates shooting for 500 or 550rpm. Yeah those videos on youboob are cool to hear...the ultra super low idle ancients. BUT...I'm sure lots here will agree...the sound of a Shovel or Pan is not from SUPER low idle. Yes it will idle lower than the twinkies...but I'm probably at 750-800rpm. The sound is still much different...from many other factors.

This is not 750-800 RPM, I can assure you. Try 5-650.
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 05:09 PM
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Evo shovel pan knuck. Still gonna hammer the lower end. Sounds cool but hard on the motor.
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cattle-Dog
The new Indians idle warm, stock, at 750RPM.
And they still run forged cranks (like Harley used to before they got cheap....)
 
Old Jul 29, 2014 | 05:47 PM
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And they still run forged cranks (like Harley used to before they got cheap....)
What? Harley Davidson used to run CAST IRON cranks which were heavier, and wouldn't hold true for over 100,000 miles. When the Evo came out, it was the first Harley Davidson with sleeved aluminum jugs and heads, along with a forged steel crank held together by a nut, that WILL hold true and is a lot tougher than a cast iron crank. The new twinkie cranks are still FORGED STEEL but because they are pressed together, and they use standard roller bearings on the crank pins and not double tapered timkens, they come out of true easily.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2014 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tmanbuckhunter
What? Harley Davidson used to run CAST IRON cranks which were heavier, and wouldn't hold true for over 100,000 miles. When the Evo came out, it was the first Harley Davidson with sleeved aluminum jugs and heads, along with a forged steel crank held together by a nut, that WILL hold true and is a lot tougher than a cast iron crank. The new twinkie cranks are still FORGED STEEL but because they are pressed together, and they use standard roller bearings on the crank pins and not double tapered timkens, they come out of true easily.
See below, (Yes, my 2000 is forged, but not so later model 96" 2007 and up)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x75pxs_harley-davidson-crankshafts-forged_auto
 
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Originally Posted by hardheaded
i don't believe the lower end even gets any oil until it gets to 1800 rpm's.

Originally Posted by baka1969
1) Rip up man card
2) Take any and all tools you may have and donate them to the Goodwill
3) Never ever work on your motorcycle. Or anyone else's

Might want to read up on how a pre-twincam oil system works before you go tearing up his "man-card"...the bottom end is indeed denied oil at idle, to keep the hydraulic lifters happy...not sure what RPM the bottom end gets full oil pressure, but I have read 1800 from other sources...he didn't make it up.

 



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