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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jeeperbrad
I think I'm gonna go with the sert because harley should be able to tune this one easier than the TTS.
If they are capable of tuning with the SESPT then they will find using the TTS a breeze. The recipe for tuning a bike on a dyno with the SERT, SESPT, Direct Link or TTS is the same . The TTS is so much more capable and user friendly. Come and spend a day on the dyno and I can show you why.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdCase
I don't know of a dealer on this forum that provides much technical support, there are a few but I don't think they hang out here. Phat had a pretty good price a few weeks ago, but you have to call them for their unadvertised price. TTS at mastertune.net includes a dealer page that lists all those that sell the TTS.
ColdCase - when you get a second on your other forums, ask Steve Cole whether TTS downloads a firmware into the ECM for calculation control or if it just updates tables into the ECM and Delphi handles the everything else.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TickTock
ColdCase - when you get a second on your other forums, ask Steve Cole whether TTS downloads a firmware into the ECM for calculation control or if it just updates tables into the ECM and Delphi handles the everything else.
You should ask him or the few others that may have that info yourself... why a middle man? They are not hard to find. They seem to hang out at

http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php/board,13.0.html

and

https://www.hdforums.com.au/Default....ics&forumid=27

among others
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jeeperbrad
I think I'm gonna go with the sert because harley should be able to tune this one easier than the TTS. I have a mac computer and don't want to buy a new laptop just to tune my bike, so I'm dropping it off at the dealer for a dyno session.
SEST can certainly get you a decent tune, its better than nothin, IMHO, I know some here would disagree.

If you really wanted to use TTS:

I have used the mac laptop running TTS on bootcamp and works great. Mac laptops don't have the longest battery life, but it is sufficient.

A $200-$300 netbook also works great for this and any other auto diagnostics programs, the best ones only seem to be written for windoze.

Any technician worth his salt that can tune with SEST or SERT can also easily tune with TTS. If not, then go elsewhere, you have to question the tuners competence.

Some dealers only sell SESTS because they make more money with it, not that it is easier. After all they will charge you for any extra labor, a win win situation. TTS is actually a bit easier for the tech. HD has been putting a lot of pressure on dealers to sell the SEST as they don't sell well otherwise. You are seeing more and more getting dumped on eBay. This winter/spring HD could hardly give them away, even putting them in the stage packages. I found it interesting that the better builders were dumping those in the trash and substituted TTS kits... another source of cheap ones for eBay.. helping those satisfied with SESTs to save a few bucks.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdCase
You should ask him or the few others that may have that info yourself... why a middle man? They are not hard to find. They seem to hang out at

http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php/board,13.0.html

and

https://www.hdforums.com.au/Default....ics&forumid=27

among others
I don't frequent those forums and just figured since you did it would be easier. I don't have time for another one!
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdCase
Some dealers only sell SESTS because they make more money with it, not that it is easier. After all they will charge you for any extra labor, a win win situation.
Dealers likely sell the SESTP becuase it is an HD product and it is what their techs get trained on. Are you saying Labor is more expensive at the dealer with a SESTP than a TTS?

Originally Posted by ColdCase
HD has been putting a lot of pressure on dealers to sell the SEST as they don't sell well otherwise.
I take it you have some access to HD national/international sales figures for the SESTP?

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You are seeing more and more getting dumped on eBay. This winter/spring HD could hardly give them away, even putting them in the stage packages. I found it interesting that the better builders were dumping those in the trash and substituted TTS kits... another source of cheap ones for eBay.. helping those satisfied with SESTs to save a few bucks.
This just sounds made up.

I get it that you and Cole are buds, or that you have stock in his company but many of your posts sound like cut and pasted attack ads for the TTS. Cole has a good product, he probably doesn't need you making up stuff to improve his sales.

Found this quote at RB Racing "We've used both the SEST and the TTS Master Tune and the Master Tune. Both work about the same. The TTS MasterTune is a more friendly system."
 

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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TickTock
ColdCase - when you get a second on your other forums, ask Steve Cole whether TTS downloads a firmware into the ECM for calculation control or if it just updates tables into the ECM and Delphi handles the everything else.
Section 1.2, page 5 of the TTS manual might be the answer.
 
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Originally Posted by jluvs2ride
Section 1.2, page 5 of the TTS manual might be the answer.
http://www.mastertune.net/files/Tuni..._Guide-126.pdf

1.5.1 Mastertune
The MasterTune software is used to program a new calibration into the factory ECM....

You may be correct in your assumptions and I may be wrong in mine. The problem is with wording such as the statement above. If your assumption is correct it should state upload, if mine is correct then the wording is proper.
 

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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Very good reading. Wouldn't let me cut and paste that particular section though.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jluvs2ride
Very good reading. Wouldn't let me cut and paste that particular section though.
Yeah, I had to do my quote the old fashioned way. That's why you only get one sentence. I haven't read this latest version but it appears much more informative that the original SERT version. There is also a decent explanation of Adaptive Fuel in there as well, which you might find interesting. In the old versions of the SERT doc it was not mentioned.
 
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