Power Vision Information Thread
Road Master
Joined: Sep 2013
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From: Sterling IL.
Are you saying the AutoTune Basic runs have datalogs that can be used outside the Export process used to saving to a new slot and run direct as a new flash? That seems not be be what I have read, only that there is a separate data log process, found in the gauges setup, used to create a file that can be saved and analyzed outside the pv (WinPV or other tuning apps)
Cruiser
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 146
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From: Kingston, NH
Are you saying the AutoTune Basic runs have datalogs that can be used outside the Export process used to saving to a new slot and run direct as a new flash? That seems not be be what I have read, only that there is a separate data log process, found in the gauges setup, used to create a file that can be saved and analyzed outside the pv (WinPV or other tuning apps)
Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 150
Likes: 13
From: Fl
Thought I would repost here in the PV Info thread: 2010 Dyna Fat Bob Stage 1 Vance and Hines Short Shots and S&S Teardrop A/C. Used the Power Vision on a previous bike for several years, no problems. Got a PV for this bike and have been unable to populate the cells in Autotune. The PV reads NBF0 and NBR0 which means the narrow band sensors are in open loop. Obviously, you can't Autotune in open loop. Bought the unit from Fuel Moto and have been in contact with them for several weeks to try and resolve the issue. Lucas at Fuel Moto has been really great at trying to get this figured out for me. Sent them multiple maps, tried different base tunes, all to no avail. Let me say again, Lucas at Fuel Moto has been outstanding. He has answered every e-mail, phone call, and done his very best, literally spending hours with me, walking me through everything they could think of to try. Finally he suggested returning the unit to Dynojet, who I had also been in contact with throughout. He said if they didn't give me a new unit, Fuel Moto would refund my money. Sent it back and Dynojet sent a new PV. Hooked it up and same damn issue. So obviously, it's my bike. For the hell of it, I replaced both O2 sensors even though both Fuel Moto and Dynojet said it was not the issue. No Change. NBF0, NBR0. Will not populate cells. Datalog works, but oddly, my gauges drop out periodically and I have to exit...hit "gauges" and they are back on.( Not an RF issue because I shielded the cable front to back with RF shielding.)The tune I got from Fuel Moto is great, the bike is night and day from before I loaded their tune. I can load tunes, tuned out a little spark knock I had when hot, but still no Autotune. I'm asking if anyone has had this problem, seen it talked about in the PV sticky, which I've read much of but still slogging through it. Or if anyone has any ideas at all, I'd really appreciate some feedback.
Cruiser
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 146
Likes: 13
From: Kingston, NH
Thought I would repost here in the PV Info thread: 2010 Dyna Fat Bob Stage 1 Vance and Hines Short Shots and S&S Teardrop A/C. Used the Power Vision on a previous bike for several years, no problems. Got a PV for this bike and have been unable to populate the cells in Autotune. The PV reads NBF0 and NBR0 which means the narrow band sensors are in open loop. Obviously, you can't Autotune in open loop. Bought the unit from Fuel Moto and have been in contact with them for several weeks to try and resolve the issue. Lucas at Fuel Moto has been really great at trying to get this figured out for me. Sent them multiple maps, tried different base tunes, all to no avail. Let me say again, Lucas at Fuel Moto has been outstanding. He has answered every e-mail, phone call, and done his very best, literally spending hours with me, walking me through everything they could think of to try. Finally he suggested returning the unit to Dynojet, who I had also been in contact with throughout. He said if they didn't give me a new unit, Fuel Moto would refund my money. Sent it back and Dynojet sent a new PV. Hooked it up and same damn issue. So obviously, it's my bike. For the hell of it, I replaced both O2 sensors even though both Fuel Moto and Dynojet said it was not the issue. No Change. NBF0, NBR0. Will not populate cells. Datalog works, but oddly, my gauges drop out periodically and I have to exit...hit "gauges" and they are back on.( Not an RF issue because I shielded the cable front to back with RF shielding.)The tune I got from Fuel Moto is great, the bike is night and day from before I loaded their tune. I can load tunes, tuned out a little spark knock I had when hot, but still no Autotune. I'm asking if anyone has had this problem, seen it talked about in the PV sticky, which I've read much of but still slogging through it. Or if anyone has any ideas at all, I'd really appreciate some feedback.
Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 150
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From: Fl
So. Fuel Moto and Dynojet think it's a problem with my ECM. My options were to get a new ECM and get it preprogramed by the dealer, Thundermax and get 18mm o2 bungs, or have Jamie at Fuel Moto do an open loop tune. Since I have no plans beyond stage 1 with this bike, I went with the open loop tune. Jamie mailed it to me and it runs great. Just went for a long ride and the bike felt super. No spark knock, no decel pop, responsive and cool running. I can still use my Power Vision for gauges, Data Logs,and tweaking the tune.(But I don't really see needing to do that). I really want to thank Fuel Moto(Jamie and Lucas) for the incredible amount of time and effort they have put into this trying to figure it out. And I've got to say, anything you need for your bike that is available from Fuel Moto, buy it. They are the customer service Kings!!
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Finland, Europe
2002 Road King to 2007 fxst wiring with target tune?
Howdy,
I have a 2002 Road King with PV and autotune pro. Fuel moto base map. Running ok, but some persistent knocking. Fuel moto has given me new map based on my autotune, but didn't really help. Has to do some more autotuning.
However. This is my question:
I have a 2007 fxst project bike. 96ci and 6 speed.
Would it be possible to use this bike's ecu, tsm and complete wiring harness on my 2002 RK ( 88ci, 5 speed)?
What else would I need? 2007 speedo?
Some rewiring is needed for sure, but would it work in theory?
Reason for this is that I would like to use target tune. Not possible on my 2002.
Thanks.
I have a 2002 Road King with PV and autotune pro. Fuel moto base map. Running ok, but some persistent knocking. Fuel moto has given me new map based on my autotune, but didn't really help. Has to do some more autotuning.
However. This is my question:
I have a 2007 fxst project bike. 96ci and 6 speed.
Would it be possible to use this bike's ecu, tsm and complete wiring harness on my 2002 RK ( 88ci, 5 speed)?
What else would I need? 2007 speedo?
Some rewiring is needed for sure, but would it work in theory?
Reason for this is that I would like to use target tune. Not possible on my 2002.
Thanks.
Advanced
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 65
Likes: 14
From: Paris & Munich
Initiating the session when cold no problem - the VE cell updates will be done long after bike up to temp. Beyond AT basic and working with WBs the process wont start until the sensors up to temperature (and a code will be displayed on the screen until they do).
just warm the bike as usual before going for the high load and or high rev cells
just warm the bike as usual before going for the high load and or high rev cells
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Intermediate
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 42
Likes: 7
From: Illinois
Can someone explain a few things for me regarding spark knock? I'm getting quite a lot of spark knocks in my PV logs on my rear cylinder. It's mostly .25 to .5 degree. I don't know if that's a lot or a little. I'm hoping one of you can educate me on this subject.
Secondly, I have the instructions for correcting it in PV via the QuickTune feature by adding +5 to the fuel and -3 to the spark, but it has settings for low, medium, and high. My tach is measured in numeric increments, typically 1k up to 6K, not in low, med. & high. I'm hoping someone knows what low, med.& high translate to in numeric values.
Anyway, I'm getting these knocks across the board, no rhyme nor reason, so I guess I add those "fixes" to all three areas, low, medium, & high? I can't see any correlation to other fields that give me any clues to why this is happening. It happens on the map I got from FuelMoto and I still get it after running autotune sessions. I have to say, I think I like FuelMotos map better, so if anyone can help me understand this issue, I'll probably just update the FuelMoto map and go from there.
As an aside, are the dynajet people pulling our leg with these inadequate instructions for such a technically complicated device? Is this some kind of joke? As far as I can tell there isn't a real manual with real details anywhere, if anybody knows of one please let me know.
Secondly, I have the instructions for correcting it in PV via the QuickTune feature by adding +5 to the fuel and -3 to the spark, but it has settings for low, medium, and high. My tach is measured in numeric increments, typically 1k up to 6K, not in low, med. & high. I'm hoping someone knows what low, med.& high translate to in numeric values.
Anyway, I'm getting these knocks across the board, no rhyme nor reason, so I guess I add those "fixes" to all three areas, low, medium, & high? I can't see any correlation to other fields that give me any clues to why this is happening. It happens on the map I got from FuelMoto and I still get it after running autotune sessions. I have to say, I think I like FuelMotos map better, so if anyone can help me understand this issue, I'll probably just update the FuelMoto map and go from there.
As an aside, are the dynajet people pulling our leg with these inadequate instructions for such a technically complicated device? Is this some kind of joke? As far as I can tell there isn't a real manual with real details anywhere, if anybody knows of one please let me know.
Last edited by CAJ411; Jul 9, 2020 at 07:58 PM.
Cruiser
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 128
Likes: 8
From: Mississauga
Can someone explain a few things for me regarding spark knock? I'm getting quite a lot of spark knocks in my PV logs on my rear cylinder. It's mostly .25 to .5 degree. I don't know if that's a lot or a little. I'm hoping one of you can educate me on this subject.
Secondly, I have the instructions for correcting it in PV via the QuickTune feature by adding +5 to the fuel and -3 to the spark, but it has settings for low, medium, and high. My tach is measured in numeric increments, typically 1k up to 6K, not in low, med. & high. I'm hoping someone knows what low, med.& high translate to in numeric values.
Anyway, I'm getting these knocks across the board, no rhyme nor reason, so I guess I add those "fixes" to all three areas, low, medium, & high? I can't see any correlation to other fields that give me any clues to why this is happening. It happens on the map I got from FuelMoto and I still get it after running autotune sessions. I have to say, I think I like FuelMotos map better, so if anyone can help me understand this issue, I'll probably just update the FuelMoto map and go from there.
As an aside, are the dynajet people pulling our leg with these inadequate instructions for such a technically complicated device? Is this some kind of joke? As far as I can tell there isn't a real manual with real details anywhere, if anybody knows of one please let me know.
Secondly, I have the instructions for correcting it in PV via the QuickTune feature by adding +5 to the fuel and -3 to the spark, but it has settings for low, medium, and high. My tach is measured in numeric increments, typically 1k up to 6K, not in low, med. & high. I'm hoping someone knows what low, med.& high translate to in numeric values.
Anyway, I'm getting these knocks across the board, no rhyme nor reason, so I guess I add those "fixes" to all three areas, low, medium, & high? I can't see any correlation to other fields that give me any clues to why this is happening. It happens on the map I got from FuelMoto and I still get it after running autotune sessions. I have to say, I think I like FuelMotos map better, so if anyone can help me understand this issue, I'll probably just update the FuelMoto map and go from there.
As an aside, are the dynajet people pulling our leg with these inadequate instructions for such a technically complicated device? Is this some kind of joke? As far as I can tell there isn't a real manual with real details anywhere, if anybody knows of one please let me know.