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Tourer
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thanks for the confirmation harleytuner, here's another question, does the progaming process require the the motor be running? I ask because the guys at the dealership said they couldn't get it started and that they can't do anything unless it starts. Are they feeding me a line?
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Interesting... Thanks very much for the info scotty. I explained to the mechanics at the dealership that the ECM was new, and they did request the vin number which I gave them, but they would not let me watch, and simply came back to me and said it wouldn't start; and that they couldn't do anything with it unless it starts.
This confuses me greatly because; how can it start without a program? The fuel pump is still not getting power so I guess they did not program the ECM right? If I understand what you are saying, once programed the fuel pump should run; which is an indicator that the ECM is still blank.
As for the TSM I have, it has the part number for the touring models and is mounted in the vertical position.
They did not charge me for anything, but when I gave them the vin # and explained it was a motor purchased on ebay they really seemed to not want to help much. I guess I need to find someone who has the harley software.
This confuses me greatly because; how can it start without a program? The fuel pump is still not getting power so I guess they did not program the ECM right? If I understand what you are saying, once programed the fuel pump should run; which is an indicator that the ECM is still blank.
As for the TSM I have, it has the part number for the touring models and is mounted in the vertical position.
They did not charge me for anything, but when I gave them the vin # and explained it was a motor purchased on ebay they really seemed to not want to help much. I guess I need to find someone who has the harley software.
Yes the ECM needs a base program depending on what year & version of the ECM and what bike it is in.
They come blank and if they hooked it up to the DT2 it would tell them it is blank and get them to fill in the info and also do a password learn to the TSM once programmed.
I would try another dealer...............
thanks for the confirmation harleytuner, here's another question, does the progaming process require the the motor be running? I ask because the guys at the dealership said they couldn't get it started and that they can't do anything unless it starts. Are they feeding me a line?
That's the thing, the bike will NOT run untill they load the MAP in it. All you need to do is have the battery charged and the VIN number and they can do the rest. The may not be willing to help since the bike isn't in a fram with the VIN number on it. It might help if you have a bill of sale for the engine and the ECM, that way they know that they were purchased legally and not scavanged from a stolen bike. When they hook the bike up to the Digital Technician II software, they need the VIN so the software loads the appropriate MAP (softail, touring, dyna, etc.) Your other option would be to purchase an aftermarket ECM such as Thundermax. They replace the stock ECM and you can load, edit the MAPs or even do autotune. But they can run between 800 and 1000 bucks unless you can fine a used one. Hope this helps.
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Do you have a friend that has a good running bike that you could borrow his ecm to see if it will kick? If that works you can figure from there what needs to be done.,,
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You might try calling Revolution Performance(866 892-2109) and talk to Brian or Andrew. They have the ability to program a blank Harley ECM. It's worth a phone call to find out, your other choices are like harleytuner said in the after market replcement modules.
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That's the thing, the bike will NOT run untill they load the MAP in it. All you need to do is have the battery charged and the VIN number and they can do the rest. The may not be willing to help since the bike isn't in a fram with the VIN number on it. It might help if you have a bill of sale for the engine and the ECM, that way they know that they were purchased legally and not scavanged from a stolen bike. When they hook the bike up to the Digital Technician II software, they need the VIN so the software loads the appropriate MAP (softail, touring, dyna, etc.) Your other option would be to purchase an aftermarket ECM such as Thundermax. They replace the stock ECM and you can load, edit the MAPs or even do autotune. But they can run between 800 and 1000 bucks unless you can fine a used one. Hope this helps.
To add to this insult I have to tell you that my first choice was the Thundermax ECM; I spoke to Mark Emery at Zippers and he first said it "would not work in my custom aplication". He could not say specificly why it would not work, but made the excuse that they'd never done it and they could not guarantee or provide any support. (if I was paranoid I'd think harley and zippers had some araingement) His suggestion was to get a harley ECM and get it running, then get the thundermax. So this is why I am at this point.
I am really thankfull for your input, it's been hard to find anyone willing to share information.
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Thanks DBAGR, if I can't find anyone local with the harley software I will give them a call.
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I'm looking for a used ECM on ebay that would match my settup just to try what your suggesting, thanks.
I suspected as much, but couldn't be sure I wasn't just being paranoid! I did bring them a bill of sale for the motor when I brought the vin number. I guess they just decided they didn't want to help me do exactly what harley engineers have been trying to prevent!
To add to this insult I have to tell you that my first choice was the Thundermax ECM; I spoke to Mark Emery at Zippers and he first said it "would not work in my custom aplication". He could not say specificly why it would not work, but made the excuse that they'd never done it and they could not guarantee or provide any support. (if I was paranoid I'd think harley and zippers had some araingement) His suggestion was to get a harley ECM and get it running, then get the thundermax. So this is why I am at this point.
I am really thankfull for your input, it's been hard to find anyone willing to share information.
To add to this insult I have to tell you that my first choice was the Thundermax ECM; I spoke to Mark Emery at Zippers and he first said it "would not work in my custom aplication". He could not say specificly why it would not work, but made the excuse that they'd never done it and they could not guarantee or provide any support. (if I was paranoid I'd think harley and zippers had some araingement) His suggestion was to get a harley ECM and get it running, then get the thundermax. So this is why I am at this point.
I am really thankfull for your input, it's been hard to find anyone willing to share information.
his suggestion to get the HD ECM going then switch to the Thundermax doesn't make much sence neither. You would have to take the stock ECM off the bike to put on the Thindermax, so you would be at the same place you are right now. Weird they would recommend that. Sounds like no-one wants to try anything out of the ordanary for you. If I was still at a dealer I would've did it just to see if we could. But I am with an Indy now and we don't have the digital tech II software that is required to load a VIN into the ECM.