TC96 project
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Tourer
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From: Midland Tx.
Now I'm more baffled. I got a reply from a teck at Barnett Harley and he says that the ecm comes with a fuel map but it has to be flashed for it to work. Also I talked with the service manager here and he said that they did try but the computer said it wouldn't work. That's all he could tell me.
What is a "flash", what does it do?
What is a "flash", what does it do?
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I would think you should try another dealer, it sounds like they tried to do it and the people doing it are just not all that creative. I work on autos and have done what you are asking and it can be done. It would be nice to know if there is anthing in that ECM or is it blank. I have seen ECM blanked out totally that can't be reflashed as they are missng the base programing bios. It happens with autos all the time and in that case they are junk. A friend was reprogramming his ECM with a TTS and something happened and he blanked the ecm and the dealer couldn't restore it so he had to buy a new ECM and have it programed. This could be the case with yours. Maybe getting another ECM would be the ticket for you and reprogram that one to what you have. The zippers statement doesn't make sense I would assume it would work for you. Cool project like to see it when done
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From: Midland Tx.
I would think you should try another dealer, it sounds like they tried to do it and the people doing it are just not all that creative. I work on autos and have done what you are asking and it can be done. It would be nice to know if there is anthing in that ECM or is it blank. I have seen ECM blanked out totally that can't be reflashed as they are missng the base programing bios. It happens with autos all the time and in that case they are junk. A friend was reprogramming his ECM with a TTS and something happened and he blanked the ecm and the dealer couldn't restore it so he had to buy a new ECM and have it programed. This could be the case with yours. Maybe getting another ECM would be the ticket for you and reprogram that one to what you have. The zippers statement doesn't make sense I would assume it would work for you. Cool project like to see it when done
Still, what is a flash?
Now I'm more baffled. I got a reply from a teck at Barnett Harley and he says that the ecm comes with a fuel map but it has to be flashed for it to work. Also I talked with the service manager here and he said that they did try but the computer said it wouldn't work. That's all he could tell me.
What is a "flash", what does it do?
What is a "flash", what does it do?
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Tourer
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From: Midland Tx.
A flash is just the process to "upload" something on the ECM. It just means that something was "sent" to the ECM, in this case it would be a fuel MAP (occording to Barnett HD) The MAP that it need to get your ride running tells the ECM what type of bike it is, year, what size engine it has, injectors TB, modules, security etc. That's why the VIN needs to be put in, the VIN# tell the digital tech software what all components the bike has. Even the radio on touring bikes runs through the ECM.
I guess I made a stupid assumption that all touring ECM's would be the same esentally, and would work in any touring model. The motor is the same, the ignition, fuel, and all sensors are the same right?
If the electronic throttle control was wired incorrectly would this prevent a start? Seems like it would, but would the computer it's hooked up to tell the tec what was wrong?
Sorry, Barnett said it already has a map, but needs to be flashed for it to work. This raises another question; If I bought a new ECM for a Road King, but put in a vin # for a Road Glide, would it work?
I guess I made a stupid assumption that all touring ECM's would be the same esentally, and would work in any touring model. The motor is the same, the ignition, fuel, and all sensors are the same right?
If the electronic throttle control was wired incorrectly would this prevent a start? Seems like it would, but would the computer it's hooked up to tell the tec what was wrong?
I guess I made a stupid assumption that all touring ECM's would be the same esentally, and would work in any touring model. The motor is the same, the ignition, fuel, and all sensors are the same right?
If the electronic throttle control was wired incorrectly would this prevent a start? Seems like it would, but would the computer it's hooked up to tell the tec what was wrong?
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From: Midland Tx.
When I bought the ecm at this dealership I asked for an ecm for a road glide, which is the model the motor came from. No one said "it doesn't matter, they come blank." They did say that it wouldn't work without being flashed. O.K. I tried to get them to do it and got "It won't start."
I opted for the TSM instead of a TSSM and my understanding was it would work, and I would have to do the password learn procedure. The TSM is used part #68920-07 which is the number for the tour model I believe, and it is mounted vertically. I did though, turn it horizontally as a test and got the same negative results.
So here is what I have, ignition on I have headlight, turn signals, horn. The fuel pump does not come on. When I push the start button the starter and motor crank, but it doesn't fire. I hotwired the fuel pump and it runs so I don't think it is faulty.
Answers I can't get from my dealer are:
will it start without the clutch lockout hooked up? I've seen on this site that it will start in neutral.
do I have to have a jiffy stand switch for it to start?
Would either of these things keep the pump fuse from getting power?
I'm at a point that I may buy the Thundermax ecm just so that I'd have something I could at least access!
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From: Ashland Ohio
Got any friends with a TTS? Those can be hooked to ANY bike to run diagnostics, etc... just won't allow one to shoot at new map.
Get one and see what the TTS says when you hook it up.
Get one and see what the TTS says when you hook it up.
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From: Midland Tx.
I talked to somebody at Dynojet about the power vision and they said it won't work with a blank ecm. He said the power vision needs the ecm programed to know the details regarding the setup. I was interested in this product, the price was better and the portability of the devise is really attractive.