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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 06:58 AM
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is there a "plug and play" type programmer for the home do it yourselfer that makes a REAL improvement?
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:18 AM
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If you mean ... is there a unit that add 100 hp to your scooter ... Obviously not ... What you want to consider is how easy the unit is to use and how wide are the parameters for adjustment .... You'll get a wide variety of suggestions, however, the Dynojet line is pretty good and the Power Vision takes almost all of the "brain surgery" out of the equation. It retains the narrow band ( stock ) Oxygen Sensors and that is (generally) a good thing ... You should also consider a Power Commander ... Just my .02 cents worth Brother.
 

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I agree with Uncle Larry above although I always take the route of the "challenge". Some tuners are very difficult to understand and use but in most cases they're worth the trouble in learning.

DynoJet has taken that learning/frustration curve out of the equation for the most part. Also if you order one from Jaimie @ Fuel Moto, call him up tell them what you have for a motor build and they'll send your device to you with the map on it already configured. Can't get any easier than that
 
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Old Jan 6, 2013 | 08:12 AM
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Also...depends on your definition of "real improvement" so need to know what your looking to accomplish (end goal)...??
 
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Old Jan 7, 2013 | 05:04 PM
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with the ones Ive used in automotive applications, the add maybe 15% hp for around 300 bucks. I havent done any mods yet other than pipes, would like to do a cam swap soon, mainly wanting to get more out of the stock setup.
 
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Originally Posted by novarcr
...mainly wanting to get more out of the stock setup.
Once you start changing parts, settings, or clearances, it's no longer a stock setup.

As suggested in a previous post, what is your goal? No disrespect intended but "REAL improvement..." is so subjective that it really doesn't mean anything.

There's lots of companies and guys out there that are willing to take your money (even a little bit) and promise "big improvements over stock..." But keep in mind that the definition of a "big/real improvement.." will be THEIRS and not yours.

Keep your money in your pocket, figure out what you want, and learn what's going to get you there.

Good luck!
 
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Originally Posted by novarcr
is there a "plug and play" type programmer for the home do it yourselfer that makes a REAL improvement?
Frankly, it completely depends on the specific modifications you have made to your bike and its current state of tune. For example on a completely stock bike you will generally see conservative gains such as smoother operation, cooler running and better throttle response. However as you make modifications such as intake, exhaust, cams, etc.. the tune becomes an essential part of the equation and can make or break the combination. The best advice I can give is to do your research and use the tuning product you or your tuner feel most comfortable using, use the product you can get the best support on, and have a willingness to learn.
 
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