72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Yup, I think the same thing ~~ nothing else it could be ~~ this all started because I adjusted my clutch lever then started cranking the thing out from the primary cover just a bit to help with a little drag at red lights and then I got the "pop" on the lever. So, I took the primary cover off and wham there it was. Since then I went thru the procedure to re-adjust the clutch/lever leaving 1/8" play in it ~~ AT LEAST 5 TIMES ~~ and still no clutch and it just kept coming loose ~~ so I figured it waseither the "old" clutch cableand or the lever ~~ which wasn't the same after the original "pop" ~~and after checking out the inner workings and after you guys looking thru the photo's I think replacement of the clutch perch/lever and cable are in order for a cure. What do you think? Tony
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Whoa Tony.......
Hold on for a minute here.
'this all started because I adjusted my clutch lever then started cranking the thing out from the primary cover just a bit to help with a little drag at red lights and then I got the "pop" on the lever. So, I took the primary cover off and wham there it was.'
If you did nothing but adjusted the cable adjuster outward from the primary case, then there is your problem. You kept turning it outward to eliminate 'drag'at red lights until the clutch lever 'popped'. The pop was the 3 ***** in the ramp camming over to the next slot.
To do this correctly you have to first adjust the clutch release ramp, and the cable is adjusted as part of this exercise. In the end the ramp is adjusted and the cable will have 1/8 inch slack at the lever.
I do not think you need a new lever, cable, or other parts. I believe from your description of what you did I now know what the problem is.....and that problem is the release ramp is out of adjustment.
Do you have the factory manual that explains adjusting the clutch release ramp? If not, let me know and I will send it to you..........pg
Hold on for a minute here.
'this all started because I adjusted my clutch lever then started cranking the thing out from the primary cover just a bit to help with a little drag at red lights and then I got the "pop" on the lever. So, I took the primary cover off and wham there it was.'
If you did nothing but adjusted the cable adjuster outward from the primary case, then there is your problem. You kept turning it outward to eliminate 'drag'at red lights until the clutch lever 'popped'. The pop was the 3 ***** in the ramp camming over to the next slot.
To do this correctly you have to first adjust the clutch release ramp, and the cable is adjusted as part of this exercise. In the end the ramp is adjusted and the cable will have 1/8 inch slack at the lever.
I do not think you need a new lever, cable, or other parts. I believe from your description of what you did I now know what the problem is.....and that problem is the release ramp is out of adjustment.
Do you have the factory manual that explains adjusting the clutch release ramp? If not, let me know and I will send it to you..........pg
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
ORIGINAL: LEO1969
part #15 that part #29 is roller in primarycover.
That bigger pin could be like PG wrote from clutch, inside of bearing part where clutch adjustment screw press.
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
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Whoa Tony.......
Hold on for a minute here.
'this all started because I adjusted my clutch lever then started cranking the thing out from the primary cover just a bit to help with a little drag at red lights and then I got the "pop" on the lever. So, I took the primary cover off and wham there it was.'
If you did nothing but adjusted the cable adjuster outward from the primary case, then there is your problem. You kept turning it outward to eliminate 'drag'at red lights until the clutch lever 'popped'. The pop was the 3 ***** in the ramp camming over to the next slot.
To do this correctly you have to first adjust the clutch release ramp, and the cable is adjusted as part of this exercise. In the end the ramp is adjusted and the cable will have 1/8 inch slack at the lever.
I do not think you need a new lever, cable, or other parts. I believe from your description of what you did I now know what the problem is.....and that problem is the release ramp is out of adjustment.
Do you have the factory manual that explains adjusting the clutch release ramp? If not, let me know and I will send it to you..........pg
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I'm not sure , I followed the procedure frommy H-D service manuel on the adjustment ~~
1) Remove the access plug on the primary.
2) Loosen the adjustment screw lock nut. Turn the adjustment screw inward until it starts to release the clutch ( screw turns harder ). Then turn 2 turns farther in and lock the lock nut.
3) Loosen locknut on cable where it enters the primary. Turn the cable adjuster in until there is slack in the cable ( some play in the hand lever ) . From that point turn it back out to where all of the slack is just eliminated ( no play in the lever ). That's the correct cable adjustment.
4) Through the primary access hole, loosen the locknut and back off the adjustment screw until the clutch is fully engaged ( screw turns easier ). Then turn the screw back inward to the point where adjustment screw free play has been eliminated. From this point, back the screw out 1/4 to 1/2 turn to establish the correct adjustment screw free play, hold the screw in position and lock the locknut.
Check the clutch lever free play. There should be about an 1/8" of free play.
Whoa Tony.......
Hold on for a minute here.
'this all started because I adjusted my clutch lever then started cranking the thing out from the primary cover just a bit to help with a little drag at red lights and then I got the "pop" on the lever. So, I took the primary cover off and wham there it was.'
If you did nothing but adjusted the cable adjuster outward from the primary case, then there is your problem. You kept turning it outward to eliminate 'drag'at red lights until the clutch lever 'popped'. The pop was the 3 ***** in the ramp camming over to the next slot.
To do this correctly you have to first adjust the clutch release ramp, and the cable is adjusted as part of this exercise. In the end the ramp is adjusted and the cable will have 1/8 inch slack at the lever.
I do not think you need a new lever, cable, or other parts. I believe from your description of what you did I now know what the problem is.....and that problem is the release ramp is out of adjustment.
Do you have the factory manual that explains adjusting the clutch release ramp? If not, let me know and I will send it to you..........pg
Answer:
I'm not sure , I followed the procedure frommy H-D service manuel on the adjustment ~~
1) Remove the access plug on the primary.
2) Loosen the adjustment screw lock nut. Turn the adjustment screw inward until it starts to release the clutch ( screw turns harder ). Then turn 2 turns farther in and lock the lock nut.
3) Loosen locknut on cable where it enters the primary. Turn the cable adjuster in until there is slack in the cable ( some play in the hand lever ) . From that point turn it back out to where all of the slack is just eliminated ( no play in the lever ). That's the correct cable adjustment.
4) Through the primary access hole, loosen the locknut and back off the adjustment screw until the clutch is fully engaged ( screw turns easier ). Then turn the screw back inward to the point where adjustment screw free play has been eliminated. From this point, back the screw out 1/4 to 1/2 turn to establish the correct adjustment screw free play, hold the screw in position and lock the locknut.
Check the clutch lever free play. There should be about an 1/8" of free play.
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
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Those parts don't belong there, you are missing washer (see PG pic from manual starter(4) section)
part #15 that part #29 is roller in primarycover.
That bigger pin could be like PG wrote from clutch, inside of bearing part where clutch adjustment screw press.
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Answer:
I have the Needle Bearing #29 ~~ There was no Washer #15 that I could find anywhere ~~ So, if the "dowel" in question holds or goes between the adjustment piece then how do you keep it on when putting the Primary Outer Cover back on? There is nothing to hold it on what so ever. I hate to go on about this thing ~~ but I hate to get my *** kicked like this ~~ and I just can't quit till I figure it out. t
Those parts don't belong there, you are missing washer (see PG pic from manual starter(4) section)
part #15 that part #29 is roller in primarycover.
That bigger pin could be like PG wrote from clutch, inside of bearing part where clutch adjustment screw press.
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If you are in deep s**t up to your ears, it better to hold your mouth shut.
Answer:
I have the Needle Bearing #29 ~~ There was no Washer #15 that I could find anywhere ~~ So, if the "dowel" in question holds or goes between the adjustment piece then how do you keep it on when putting the Primary Outer Cover back on? There is nothing to hold it on what so ever. I hate to go on about this thing ~~ but I hate to get my *** kicked like this ~~ and I just can't quit till I figure it out. t
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Tony......
No, the dowell does not belong there. That recess in the end of the clutch releasing collar is for the clutch ramp adjusting screw (item 4) to sit in.
Now, you have adjusted the clutch release ramp correctly, as well as the cable adjustment being part of that exercise. I think the dowell is a piece of junk that somehow got in there.
You don't think the two items with 2 diameters go on the end of the starter shaft?
You should have a clutch that works at this point. If your clutch does not work, then it can only be one thing.......the ramp is out of position by one ball space. In otherwords, the cable should come into the primary case and where the end attaches to the ramp lever, the lever should be at approx. right angle to the cable.
This is all it could be if the clutch does not function. I think the ***** jumped a space forward when you screwed the adjuster out to eliminate the drag at the red lights. After pulling the primary case off you looked at the ramp position and thought this was the normal position, but in fact it had jumped forward and is now out of position by one ball space.
again, you did everything correct with the ramp adjustment.........pg
No, the dowell does not belong there. That recess in the end of the clutch releasing collar is for the clutch ramp adjusting screw (item 4) to sit in.
Now, you have adjusted the clutch release ramp correctly, as well as the cable adjustment being part of that exercise. I think the dowell is a piece of junk that somehow got in there.
You don't think the two items with 2 diameters go on the end of the starter shaft?
You should have a clutch that works at this point. If your clutch does not work, then it can only be one thing.......the ramp is out of position by one ball space. In otherwords, the cable should come into the primary case and where the end attaches to the ramp lever, the lever should be at approx. right angle to the cable.
This is all it could be if the clutch does not function. I think the ***** jumped a space forward when you screwed the adjuster out to eliminate the drag at the red lights. After pulling the primary case off you looked at the ramp position and thought this was the normal position, but in fact it had jumped forward and is now out of position by one ball space.
again, you did everything correct with the ramp adjustment.........pg
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Tony.....
Going back to the pieces that I believe go onto the end of the starter, I have marked up illustration #4 again with regards to items #16 and #17. The washer (#15) you should have as well. I note that you say you do not have the washer? This washer should slide over items #16 and slide up against the shoulder on item @17. The washer rides between the shoulder and the needle bearing cage.
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Going back to the pieces that I believe go onto the end of the starter, I have marked up illustration #4 again with regards to items #16 and #17. The washer (#15) you should have as well. I note that you say you do not have the washer? This washer should slide over items #16 and slide up against the shoulder on item @17. The washer rides between the shoulder and the needle bearing cage.
[IMG]local://upfiles/8331/7268BE4E304A47BBBC4155EC8BA605F1.jpg[/IMG]
