72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
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72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Ok, I was having trouble with my clutch lever ~~ which let me to think I had overall clutch trouble ~~ rookie mistake ~~ so I took apart the primary (drained the fluid first) and when I did a piece fell out of the case that looked like a cyndrical piece of metal about an inch to an inch and a half long and about a half inch around ~~ perfect cylinder no marks on it smooth and clean ~~the problem is I didn't see where it fell out of ~ and can't figure out where the hell it goes??? Iknow bone headed rookie ~~ but , it just hit the inside of the primary case as I was holding it and I didn't see it fall I just heard it. Here are some photo's I snagged from ebay but they will serve the purpose ~~ Thanks , Tony in Knoxville
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
so I took apart the primary (drained the fluid first) and when I did a piece fell out of the case that looked like a cyndrical piece of metal about an inch to an inch and a half long and about a half inch around ~~ perfect cylinder no marks on it smooth and clean ~~the problem is I didn't see where it fell out of ~ and can't figure ou where the hell it goes???
OK, when something like this happens it is always best to take and post a photo of that mystery piece, if that is possible. Yeah, I know not everyone has a digital camera.
From your description, there is only one thing that I can think of that the item could possibly be........and that is a dowell pin. There are two dowell pins in the transmission door. I have never seen one come out, but I cannot think of another dowell anywhere inside that primary. There is a dowell (of sorts) for the kick start quad gear, but it is not going to be a one diameter pin as you describe. Anyway, the manual does not mention these pins, but I found an illustration of the primary that shows one of them, along with the kick start quad gear pin to the right.............pg
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OK, when something like this happens it is always best to take and post a photo of that mystery piece, if that is possible. Yeah, I know not everyone has a digital camera.
From your description, there is only one thing that I can think of that the item could possibly be........and that is a dowell pin. There are two dowell pins in the transmission door. I have never seen one come out, but I cannot think of another dowell anywhere inside that primary. There is a dowell (of sorts) for the kick start quad gear, but it is not going to be a one diameter pin as you describe. Anyway, the manual does not mention these pins, but I found an illustration of the primary that shows one of them, along with the kick start quad gear pin to the right.............pg
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
That startermotor shaft goes in into that rollerbearing in "up left corner" of primary case as you knowed. But there should be also bronce washer in startmotor shaft #31502-65 It's located between case and starter gear.
Otherwise everything look normal.
Otherwise everything look normal.
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Your right pinion ~~ so here goes the photos update ~~ also this is a 72 ~XL ELECTRIC Start only ~~ Should have given better info ~ Sorry ~~
Here is what I'm talking about the (dowel)
Also here are the other pieces that came out ~~ might as well show everything in case I miss something ~~ And thanks for the help by the way!!
Here is what I'm talking about the (dowel)Also here are the other pieces that came out ~~ might as well show everything in case I miss something ~~ And thanks for the help by the way!!
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Leo1969......
Good photos! They help.
Now, all I can say about the loose pieces that you found in the primary is this: They should not be there.
I cannot identify any of the pieces, except for the chain plate. Was that in there, are perhaps you just put it into the photo to show relative size?
The dowell looks too rough on the surface to be one of the dowells I mentioned earlier as being in the transmission door.
The two pieces that each have two diameters look to be clutch parts or perhaps starter parts, but I cannot identify those either. The larger one looks like it could be the releasing disc collar shown as #5 on the illustration, except I see that in place on the clutch pressure plate in another one of your photos.
I have attached 4 views for you.
The first is the engine sprocket hardware.
The second is the parts that go into the primary cover for the clutch cable to hook onto.
The third is all of the clutch parts that are in the primary.
The 4th is the electric starter. I have denoted which pieces sit inside the primary case.
In all 4 of the illustrations there are no parts that even resemble the loose ones you found, outside of that releasing disc collar.
If that chain plate was a loose part, then be sure to look over your primary chain carefully. Is it possible someone dumped some loose items into the primary case? Yeah I know, that is a stretch, but I have no idea where such parts came from inside the primary or transmission of your bike.
If you recently bought the bike from someone then I suspect the parts were added by accident or on purpose.
It is a good thing in any event that the parts did not get lodged between the clutch basket teeth and the primary chain while the bike was running. That would have surely broken your crankcases if they became lodged in place.......I remain baffled by where the pieces may have come from............pg
Good photos! They help.
Now, all I can say about the loose pieces that you found in the primary is this: They should not be there.
I cannot identify any of the pieces, except for the chain plate. Was that in there, are perhaps you just put it into the photo to show relative size?
The dowell looks too rough on the surface to be one of the dowells I mentioned earlier as being in the transmission door.
The two pieces that each have two diameters look to be clutch parts or perhaps starter parts, but I cannot identify those either. The larger one looks like it could be the releasing disc collar shown as #5 on the illustration, except I see that in place on the clutch pressure plate in another one of your photos.
I have attached 4 views for you.
The first is the engine sprocket hardware.
The second is the parts that go into the primary cover for the clutch cable to hook onto.
The third is all of the clutch parts that are in the primary.
The 4th is the electric starter. I have denoted which pieces sit inside the primary case.
In all 4 of the illustrations there are no parts that even resemble the loose ones you found, outside of that releasing disc collar.
If that chain plate was a loose part, then be sure to look over your primary chain carefully. Is it possible someone dumped some loose items into the primary case? Yeah I know, that is a stretch, but I have no idea where such parts came from inside the primary or transmission of your bike.
If you recently bought the bike from someone then I suspect the parts were added by accident or on purpose.
It is a good thing in any event that the parts did not get lodged between the clutch basket teeth and the primary chain while the bike was running. That would have surely broken your crankcases if they became lodged in place.......I remain baffled by where the pieces may have come from............pg
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
And the other two.
ps: On a closer look, by hitting the '+' key, the two unidentified parts having double diameters may be items 16 and 17 in the starter illustration.
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ps: On a closer look, by hitting the '+' key, the two unidentified parts having double diameters may be items 16 and 17 in the starter illustration.
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Chain Plate was for size ~~ as for the other "dowel" piece I'm at a loss ~~ the original owner ~ who I just called said he thought it could be some sort of indexing thing. But, even at that it would be in the service manuel (which I have) ~~ He did say that he had work done to the Bottom end 10 years ago and that the Primary Cover hasn't been off since ~~ So who knows what JimBob Billy H-D Tech did to it ~~
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RE: 72' PRIMARY QUESTION ~~ Please Help~~
Leo.....
I added a 'ps' edit to my last post regarding the mystery items. I think those two parts pictured may be the bearing race and the pinion nut that go on to the end of your starter shaft. There is no other possibility.
As for the dowell, I think it got dropped in there by someone.............pg
I added a 'ps' edit to my last post regarding the mystery items. I think those two parts pictured may be the bearing race and the pinion nut that go on to the end of your starter shaft. There is no other possibility.
As for the dowell, I think it got dropped in there by someone.............pg