LiveWire Rode a LiveWire
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A lot of people wondering "the **** is gonna by this ****?!" are missing a huge point here.
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
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Good point but what about after all that excitement is over and Honda produces a bike that destroys the Livewire? First out of the gate wont matter for long if at all if the product falls short. And maybe the other big companies are just taking their time to get it right the first time? Honda certainly isn't suffering financially because of how diverse it is vs Harley who makes one thing for a shrinking market.
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Read my post again, what you asked the answer is already there.
It doesn't really matter what anyone does now, the battle that needed to be fought was already won.
The camera focus is on harley, no one else.
The Long Way Up is being filmed on the Livewire, not a honda.
The record will show harley was the one to jumpstart the EV motorcycle market, no one else. And that's all that really matters.
It's a similar situation with WW2 and HD vs Indian. Indian may have sold more bikes, but Harley did what was necessary to get people to think of their bikes over indian. So when time came, people reached for the harley, not the indian. Eventually Indian closed their doors, and Harley kept on trucking leading to the cultural phenomenon it would become.
Harley is doing what they need to do to secure the future, long before anyone else is.
It doesn't really matter what anyone does now, the battle that needed to be fought was already won.
The camera focus is on harley, no one else.
The Long Way Up is being filmed on the Livewire, not a honda.
The record will show harley was the one to jumpstart the EV motorcycle market, no one else. And that's all that really matters.
It's a similar situation with WW2 and HD vs Indian. Indian may have sold more bikes, but Harley did what was necessary to get people to think of their bikes over indian. So when time came, people reached for the harley, not the indian. Eventually Indian closed their doors, and Harley kept on trucking leading to the cultural phenomenon it would become.
Harley is doing what they need to do to secure the future, long before anyone else is.
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,055
Likes: 8,080
From: Canada
Read my post again, what you asked the answer is already there.
It doesn't really matter what anyone does now, the battle that needed to be fought was already won.
The camera focus is on harley, no one else.
The Long Way Up is being filmed on the Livewire, not a honda.
The record will show harley was the one to jumpstart the EV motorcycle market, no one else. And that's all that really matters.
It's a similar situation with WW2 and HD vs Indian. Indian may have sold more bikes, but Harley did what was necessary to get people to think of their bikes over indian. So when time came, people reached for the harley, not the indian. Eventually Indian closed their doors, and Harley kept on trucking leading to the cultural phenomenon it would become.
Harley is doing what they need to do to secure the future, long before anyone else is.
It doesn't really matter what anyone does now, the battle that needed to be fought was already won.
The camera focus is on harley, no one else.
The Long Way Up is being filmed on the Livewire, not a honda.
The record will show harley was the one to jumpstart the EV motorcycle market, no one else. And that's all that really matters.
It's a similar situation with WW2 and HD vs Indian. Indian may have sold more bikes, but Harley did what was necessary to get people to think of their bikes over indian. So when time came, people reached for the harley, not the indian. Eventually Indian closed their doors, and Harley kept on trucking leading to the cultural phenomenon it would become.
Harley is doing what they need to do to secure the future, long before anyone else is.
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Joined: Apr 2017
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From: United States
A lot of people wondering "the **** is gonna by this ****?!" are missing a huge point here.
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things
Well Someones been mixing their kool aid with anti freeze.
I guess you forgot Toyota.
Wiz 🙄
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Hybrids did well, and Toyota has the poster child car, but it's still not an EV.
It's a hybrid.
Toyota's first EV? The C-HR, introduced in 2019. 11 years after the first Tesla EV.
Infact, Nissan hit the market with an EV before Toyota did, with the Leaf.
Last edited by FranBunnyFFXII; Sep 19, 2019 at 08:54 AM.
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Hydrogen would be very interesting and usable once the infrastructure exists for it. But... it kinda doesnt yet. So maybe in the future?
Im betting better Battery tech is gonna happen before that though.
Edit: I would like to see some sort of clean fuel or something future internal combustion, because nothing electric is gonna replace the roar and sound of a gasoline Vtwin for me.
Hence why Ive got an electric now, but I'm planning on getting a fat boy here ASAP.
Im betting better Battery tech is gonna happen before that though.
Edit: I would like to see some sort of clean fuel or something future internal combustion, because nothing electric is gonna replace the roar and sound of a gasoline Vtwin for me.
Hence why Ive got an electric now, but I'm planning on getting a fat boy here ASAP.
Last edited by FranBunnyFFXII; Sep 19, 2019 at 09:55 AM.