LiveWire Rode a LiveWire
Road Warrior
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Toyota is Hybrids, not EVs.
Hybrids did well, and Toyota has the poster child car, but it's still not an EV.
It's a hybrid.
Toyota's first EV? The C-HR, introduced in 2019. 11 years after the first Tesla EV.
Infact, Nissan hit the market with an EV before Toyota did, with the Leaf.
Hybrids did well, and Toyota has the poster child car, but it's still not an EV.
It's a hybrid.
Toyota's first EV? The C-HR, introduced in 2019. 11 years after the first Tesla EV.
Infact, Nissan hit the market with an EV before Toyota did, with the Leaf.
And you know your reply ain’t no good without pictures.
Wiz 🍻
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And I dont want one. Check my signature. That's what I'm after.
I just know what the market is after and what it all means for harley and the EV market.
And it's really not splitting hairs. EV markets dont want to use gasoline period. That's kinda their point, moving on from ancient dead diatoms.
Me? I ride an Electric right now. But it doesnt' do what I want to do with a motorcycle. It's good for zipping down to the store, and getting to doc appointments, and measly stuff like that. But it's no replacement for a gasoline engine in terms of range, motocamping, touring, or the mechanical work and looks of a VTwin.
Exhaust note? There is none, i get an electric whir. It's not as fun as hearing the aggressive Roar of a gasoline engine.
I want a fat boy, not a livewire, but I know harley needs to do more than just appeal to me, and they dropped a bomb shell no one saw coming.
Really think about it, of all the people you expected to put out an Emoto first, sure as ****in hell wasn't betting on harley were ya?
I wasnt. Even with their livewire demo, it was a dud in my eyes.
But here we are.
I don't care about this bike, but when everyone's after an EV and the only one anyone gets to freely test ride right now is the Livewire, that's just good free marketing.
Road Warrior
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From: United States
I don't. It's just what it is.
And I dont want one. Check my signature. That's what I'm after.
I just know what the market is after and what it all means for harley and the EV market.
And it's really not splitting hairs. EV markets dont want to use gasoline period. That's kinda their point, moving on from ancient dead diatoms.
Me? I ride an Electric right now. But it doesnt' do what I want to do with a motorcycle. It's good for zipping down to the store, and getting to doc appointments, and measly stuff like that. But it's no replacement for a gasoline engine in terms of range, motocamping, touring, or the mechanical work and looks of a VTwin.
Exhaust note? There is none, i get an electric whir. It's not as fun as hearing the aggressive Roar of a gasoline engine.
I want a fat boy, not a livewire, but I know harley needs to do more than just appeal to me, and they dropped a bomb shell no one saw coming.
Really think about it, of all the people you expected to put out an Emoto first, sure as ****in hell wasn't betting on harley were ya?
I wasnt. Even with their livewire demo, it was a dud in my eyes.
But here we are.
I don't care about this bike, but when everyone's after an EV and the only one anyone gets to freely test ride right now is the Livewire, that's just good free marketing.
And I dont want one. Check my signature. That's what I'm after.
I just know what the market is after and what it all means for harley and the EV market.
And it's really not splitting hairs. EV markets dont want to use gasoline period. That's kinda their point, moving on from ancient dead diatoms.
Me? I ride an Electric right now. But it doesnt' do what I want to do with a motorcycle. It's good for zipping down to the store, and getting to doc appointments, and measly stuff like that. But it's no replacement for a gasoline engine in terms of range, motocamping, touring, or the mechanical work and looks of a VTwin.
Exhaust note? There is none, i get an electric whir. It's not as fun as hearing the aggressive Roar of a gasoline engine.
I want a fat boy, not a livewire, but I know harley needs to do more than just appeal to me, and they dropped a bomb shell no one saw coming.
Really think about it, of all the people you expected to put out an Emoto first, sure as ****in hell wasn't betting on harley were ya?
I wasnt. Even with their livewire demo, it was a dud in my eyes.
But here we are.
I don't care about this bike, but when everyone's after an EV and the only one anyone gets to freely test ride right now is the Livewire, that's just good free marketing.
“ I just know what the market is after and what it all means for harley and the EV market “
Thats a ballsy statement to make, Hats off to ya.
The livewire is going the way of the V Rod, People thought is was kool, looked kool but not kool enough to buy the volumes that mothership needed to justify the continuation of the model.
If there’s anyone in this forum that’s put money down I’d be very surprised.
The gasoline motor has nothing to worry about.
Wiz 🤘
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From: Seattle
“ I just know what the market is after and what it all means for harley and the EV market “
Thats a ballsy statement to make, Hats off to ya.
The livewire is going the way of the V Rod, People thought is was kool, looked kool but not kool enough to buy the volumes that mothership needed to justify the continuation of the model.
If there’s anyone in this forum that’s put money down I’d be very surprised.
The gasoline motor has nothing to worry about.
Wiz ��
Thats a ballsy statement to make, Hats off to ya.
The livewire is going the way of the V Rod, People thought is was kool, looked kool but not kool enough to buy the volumes that mothership needed to justify the continuation of the model.
If there’s anyone in this forum that’s put money down I’d be very surprised.
The gasoline motor has nothing to worry about.
Wiz ��
So if the livewire sees such success. Well that's pretty damn good.
Road Warrior
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From: United States
Or they just might be all on wood blocks in damp basements waiting for their value to go up 🤣.
Wiz 🤩
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Electric cars have been around for over 100 years
A lot of people wondering "the **** is gonna by this ****?!" are missing a huge point here.
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
I don't believe Harley ever intended to sell tons of Livewires. It's the first electric product to grab the attention of those into the technology, plus it lets them learn the technology and how to produce it more efficiently. Also the infrastructure does not exist to support a huge amount of electric bikes. As the infrastructure improves I'd expect to see Harley and other manufacturers starting to sell more electric bikes and their cost coming down to something more reasonable
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Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,451
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From: United States
A lot of people wondering "the **** is gonna by this ****?!" are missing a huge point here.
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Museums, Collectors, and Early Adopters.
Lets put the facts on the table...
Harley is the first large OEM brand to put out an electric motorcycle. No, Zero is not a large brand, they ship maybe 2000 bikes a year.
We're talking the big guys, the real market heavy hitters, the machine movers.
Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Triumph, Kawasaki, MotoGuzzi, BMW, ect. Out of all of them, who has a production EV Motorcycle on the market. No one, except Harley.
That's a collectors and Museum piece interest right there. The first Electric harley, with a back story of how "old man boomer bike harley ****in davidson beat all of Japan to the Electric moto game" that's something an automotive/motorcycle history museum is going to want.
Collectors are gonna want the first electric harley too, and ontop of that its the first big brand EV motorcycle, PERIOD.
Electric cars had tons of canidates before Tesla, but Tesla's the big first company to push EVs on the car side of things.
Harley is in Tesla's position in the motorcycle industry right now.
That's what people, who have the money for it, are gonna want. Wouldnt matter who's tank badge is on the "Tank" of the bike, the first big brand EV moto is still a big sale.
And then you have the early adopters. The people who want to be the first. We see this all the time in the PC industry, Dumb *** morons who pick up the most powerful graphics cards motherboards and CPUs for their "Gaming" and "editing" machines, just because they can. Not because it's worth buying but because they can.
Some people out there, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, doesnt matter, they're gonna see the livewire, and be ready to take out a loan just to be one of the first riders of the first big OEM EV bike on the road.
Harley doesn't play fast and hard with the livewire, it just has to exist, and it just had to be first. Zero not withstanding, that's exactly what it is.
Every Japanese and Euro company is probably shitting their pants right now thinking "how the hell did this happen? We're smarter than this"
For them, right now it's like watching the paste eating moron you went to elementary school with walking away with a PhD before you started working on your doctorate. You dunno how, but it happened.
The Livewire wont need to be successful, it just needs to move a few here and there, and the deed is done. The bar has been set, and Harley has the the last laugh. Because you know in a few months, people are gonna look at honda, suzu, kawi, yammie, ect ect, and say "hey... Harley got there,s where the **** is yours?"
Ya kidding right ?
🤣
Wiz
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From: Tampa FL
Good point but what about after all that excitement is over and Honda produces a bike that destroys the Livewire? First out of the gate wont matter for long if at all if the product falls short. And maybe the other big companies are just taking their time to get it right the first time? Honda certainly isn't suffering financially because of how diverse it is vs Harley who makes one thing for a shrinking market.