Do it yourself cam installation M8
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It’s the same bearing that the late model TwinCam uses. The puller for the TwinCam works, but the alignment plate for the installer is different. George’s Garage was supposed to have them available by mid-November. I just sent them an email to see if they have them yet.
Last edited by sixguns; Dec 27, 2017 at 09:25 PM.
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I just used the SE removal tool from the Twin Cam as it works just fine. The Install tool did not set the bearing in correctly but its nothing more than a AL rod so I just made a new one for the M8 in the lathe. Took about a 1/2 hour to do it.
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So I called the local dealer and asked parts guy to put one of the newly designed oil pumps for the stage 4's on will call and he told me had no clue WTF I was talking about. "The stock oil pump is all we use for a stage 4 kit"...
Now, I know this guy right, he's got big loop earrings and rides a Honda Chopper, 60's style death trap with drum brakes. Does someone have a Damn part number so I can tell him what I need.
Now, I know this guy right, he's got big loop earrings and rides a Honda Chopper, 60's style death trap with drum brakes. Does someone have a Damn part number so I can tell him what I need.
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Here is the video you were looking for, On your old post! You going to pull that cam or whistle Dixie? Lol
Here is the video you were looking for, On your old post! You going to pull that cam or whistle Dixie? Lol
I'll be honest here.... I don't take my bike to the moco, 1st, I won't pay the $120 hour for some idiot who knows less than I've forgotten about motorcycles, and 2nd, since my cancer, the radiation on my brain fried my memory, short term I'm somewhat cool (as you can tell by me forgetting the old post) but anything that requires technical knowhow that I've done in the past I've lost about 70% of that.
So it's like a test, I'm apprehensive, cautious and always overthink it but I've built a dozen shovels in my life, somehow it's easy for me to remember that, I've never opened up anything other than a 95 EVO and that was a simple head swap.
I have a CR460 on the shelf but decided to go with the 22X. I bought everything needed including the lifters so I'll post some photos when it's done. I'll be riding by 1/7/18. All arriving today. Ordering the Jims cam tool as well.
Last edited by Oldskewl; Dec 28, 2017 at 08:45 AM.
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Bike is gonna sit until I can get the proper cam bearing tool. Called Jims, they are closed until the 3rd of Jan.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Bike is gonna sit until I can get the proper cam bearing tool. Called Jims, they are closed until the 3rd of Jan.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Last edited by $tonecold; Dec 28, 2017 at 02:56 PM.
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Bike is gonna sit until I can get the proper cam bearing tool. Called Jims, they are closed until the 3rd of Jan.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Dealership will not sell the tool so I'm stuck. Used to be we would use the old cam and a sand hammer to pound in the bearing but I'm not doing that on my new M8.
Everywhere that sells the Jims tools (like Dennis Kirk) is currently out of stock which could mean that even Jims is out of them. Won't know until they open on the 3rd.
Sucks ***.
Last edited by Steve Cole; Dec 28, 2017 at 05:59 PM.
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See, I knew it was somewhere
I'll be honest here.... I don't take my bike to the moco, 1st, I won't pay the $120 hour for some idiot who knows less than I've forgotten about motorcycles, and 2nd, since my cancer, the radiation on my brain fried my memory, short term I'm somewhat cool (as you can tell by me forgetting the old post) but anything that requires technical knowhow that I've done in the past I've lost about 70% of that.
So it's like a test, I'm apprehensive, cautious and always overthink it but I've built a dozen shovels in my life, somehow it's easy for me to remember that, I've never opened up anything other than a 95 EVO and that was a simple head swap.
I have a CR460 on the shelf but decided to go with the 22X. I bought everything needed including the lifters so I'll post some photos when it's done. I'll be riding by 1/7/18. All arriving today. Ordering the Jims cam tool as well.
I'll be honest here.... I don't take my bike to the moco, 1st, I won't pay the $120 hour for some idiot who knows less than I've forgotten about motorcycles, and 2nd, since my cancer, the radiation on my brain fried my memory, short term I'm somewhat cool (as you can tell by me forgetting the old post) but anything that requires technical knowhow that I've done in the past I've lost about 70% of that.
So it's like a test, I'm apprehensive, cautious and always overthink it but I've built a dozen shovels in my life, somehow it's easy for me to remember that, I've never opened up anything other than a 95 EVO and that was a simple head swap.
I have a CR460 on the shelf but decided to go with the 22X. I bought everything needed including the lifters so I'll post some photos when it's done. I'll be riding by 1/7/18. All arriving today. Ordering the Jims cam tool as well.
You're in my thoughts and prayers sir! God bless and let us know how the install goes.
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M8 cam change.
This video is good info and a must watch for cam change even though it refers to the TwinCam.If you go online shopping on H D 2017 M8 under Screaming Eagle you will find the Stage 11 pack,with a great 447 torque cam,pushrods and covers.More importantly you can download figment instruction pages from the window,which are idiot proof.
This is not a high lift,high load cam like the Stage111 498 cam(which comes with the high load bearing and high lift valve springs)
Significantly there is no updated inner cam bearing in this pack so would not go digging around replacing a proven standard inner bearing,Let silent bearings alone!
If you have done the Twin Cam change this will be a breeze for you.Not a fan of the bolt cut short cut,but in favor of the reduced meddling on critical areas. One word on the video,I always wrap a small rag around the lower end of the pushrods before cutting,remove the upper pieces and tubes before removing the off cuts together with the debris catching cloth! Finally wipe out the followers and recesses with a clean rag before reassembly.Hold onto the bars and good ridin'. You don't need the cam tool. Keep the money in your pocket!
This is not a high lift,high load cam like the Stage111 498 cam(which comes with the high load bearing and high lift valve springs)
Significantly there is no updated inner cam bearing in this pack so would not go digging around replacing a proven standard inner bearing,Let silent bearings alone!
If you have done the Twin Cam change this will be a breeze for you.Not a fan of the bolt cut short cut,but in favor of the reduced meddling on critical areas. One word on the video,I always wrap a small rag around the lower end of the pushrods before cutting,remove the upper pieces and tubes before removing the off cuts together with the debris catching cloth! Finally wipe out the followers and recesses with a clean rag before reassembly.Hold onto the bars and good ridin'. You don't need the cam tool. Keep the money in your pocket!
Last edited by Peter Quinn; Dec 29, 2017 at 02:05 AM. Reason: Omission
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Pump change
Sorry missed your post on the pump.My old man used to say"when you look for trouble it will normally find you".Lot of hype here with no known solution so good chance you could stumble onto a new sumping pump,instead of a solution! Did 5000 miles before taking on my stage 111.When I opened the cam case I was very disappointed to find I have the oldest pump number 62400119 smiling at me.I decided to make it my friend!
I went ahead and made a 3/8 reducer and pressed it into the 1/2" scavenger inlet just to make sure it is somewhat updated.Sort of following the principle of sucking with your lips pursed.This is more for peace of mind because,as Steve Cole previously posted,the sump scavenger port hole is smaller than 3/8".
Did follow free advice from our H D Master Tech.Keep the pump rotors intact and secured in original position.Take good care when aligning the rotors and cover plates,rotate the engine (pump) before tightening the 4 center bolts,.
Lastly be very particular about correct alignment and torque specs.
Keep it simple,don't worry, just do it!
All good done 2000 miles,mostly long distance high speed,zero issues except adjusting to the power increase!
I went ahead and made a 3/8 reducer and pressed it into the 1/2" scavenger inlet just to make sure it is somewhat updated.Sort of following the principle of sucking with your lips pursed.This is more for peace of mind because,as Steve Cole previously posted,the sump scavenger port hole is smaller than 3/8".
Did follow free advice from our H D Master Tech.Keep the pump rotors intact and secured in original position.Take good care when aligning the rotors and cover plates,rotate the engine (pump) before tightening the 4 center bolts,.
Lastly be very particular about correct alignment and torque specs.
Keep it simple,don't worry, just do it!
All good done 2000 miles,mostly long distance high speed,zero issues except adjusting to the power increase!