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I want one !

 

Onya Webby ,tell them skanks to **** off !

 

And there may be some truth to that. I think one thing most of us would agree on is that we would want to see higher quality parts and components used in the construction of these bikes. And it's a little silly that you can't even get an electronically adjustable windshield on a $40,000 CVO, when the BMW has it at half the price. So yes, there's definitely room for improvement. I for one appreciate BMW extending their warranty to three years on the 2019's, I know that fear of outrageous repair and maintenance costs were a concern when I was shopping them. I'd like to see Harley do the same. Hell, if Kia can offer a 10-year powertrain warranty on a cheap little sedan, why can't a premium motorcycle manufacturer? (or, for that matter, all the premium motorcycle manufacturers?)

See, here's where you just run off the rails. You seem to be engaged in a highly solipsistic viewpoint -- you think that because YOU moved on, EVERYONE will move on. And your identity is threatened when nobody's listening and nobody's following you.

I'm not interested in prognosticating a future that's mainly written by the Motley Fool and their endless pushing of Polaris and ******* on Harley, etc. I prefer the actual reality over the imagined future. Like I said in the earlier post -- Harley has an overwhelming sales lead. An astronomical, outrageously dominant market position. In bikes where they actually compete, they own somewhere around 80% of the market. And they have maintained that edge, even as the pie has shrunk.

I agree with you that the BMW K1600 is a stellar machine, and especially the K1600B. But it's also a pimple on the *** of Harley's sales. An insignificant blip. A rounding error. For all their technology and whiz-bang and fake claims of 160hp (it's actually 125.9 as tested on the dyno), BMW will sell maybe, at most, 1000 K1600s in America this entire year. And that's all of them, added together: K1600 GT, GTL, B, and Grand America. In fact, latest assessments say that BMW's sales will likely actually drop this year (the first time in 8 years). Harley will sell that many Road Kings and other touring bikes in a week. Every week. And that's just the truth of the matter.

So -- saying what the millenials want, and whatnot -- that all sounds like "the polls all say Hillary is going to win" and "the newest hottest thing is Democratic Socialism". It doesn't matter how loud the chatter gets -- what matters is what happens when people pull the lever at the ballot box. And the only thing that matters about what happens in the motorcycle world is when and where people put their money down. What are they ACTUALLY buying? Harleys, by an overwhelming, ridiculously huge margin. That's the truth, and that's what matters.

You've said before that you moved from Harley to BMW, and you're not the only one. I believe that. I also believe, that after owning Hondas and Yamahas and Suzukis most of my life, I went out looking at the BMW K1600B and came back with a Harley. And I'm not the only one.

So here's the true test -- do you believe the doom and gloom scenario about Harley so much that you're willing to short the stock? If you truly believe that the masses are going to suddenly become "woke" and abandon the brand for all the reasons you did, well, why not put your money where your mouth is and short the stock? After all, if you're right, you could make a fortune. And if you won't? Maybe it is a sign that you know, deep down, that what you've been telling us isn't actually true.

 

Yes, they do seem to do that a lot. Kind of like a lot of guys here do about their Harleys.

Oh, and while they complain about the Harley problems here, it sounds like not all is paradise in K1600 land either, especially the K1600B/GA with the instability problems, I remember seeing a pretty long and dramatic thread about it on the K1600 forum (I lurk there as I am still quite interested in the B/GA and want to see when they get the issues sorted). But it does not give me a lot of confidence when BMW themselves say that a K1600B with a top case is limited to no more than 80 mph. Heck, I've got roads in my state where I couldn't even drive that B or GA at the speed limit (85). There's guys on there who have filed complaints with the NHTSA that the K1600B or GA is fundamentally unsafe due to wobble issues, and the left pull thing and not being able to use reverse.

Oooh, then it's gotta hurt when you break the news to them that it's really 125.9. And that's not the only dyno test that shows it, I've seen others that pretty much all show the K1600 as 130hp or below. Still way more than Harley, but -- dude, look in the mirror, and then look in the cup at the kool-aid you're drinking.

The BMW isn't "better" than the Harley, it just may be a better match for what YOU want. Just like the Harley isn't "better" than the BMW, but it apparently is a better match for about 49 of every 50 touring bike customers in the USA.

I like the BMW. I like it more now that it has a 3-year warranty. I'd like it even more if the seat height wasn't so damn high that I have to buy Gar's lowering links just to be able to flat-foot the thing. I'm not knocking the BMW. But you also don't see me going over to the BMW forum and telling everyone there "your bike is an insignificant sales blip, a tiny portion of the BMW sales lineup, and an almost insignificant dot on the landscape of touring motorcycle sales." I mean, if I did, I would fully expect them to call me all sorts of names and tell me to get the hell out. And they'd be right.

 

You have so many riders that switch,yet the sales numbers don't support that statement. Do you ever notice a charity ride never starts at a BMW dealer. I rode one and sure it's faster but the handling
and wind management was worse. The rider position was worse and to be honest it just felt like it had no soul. The dealer network won't get any better because sales don't support it. And please don't say they don't break down after my test ride they brought one in on a flat bed. The guy stated he couldn't get second or third gear.

 

I did the same thing; looked at all the same bikes and came home with a new Heritage.
Unfortunately, the week before, my better half had me go to the Indian dealer. They are a horrible bunch here but she liked the Scout. It is way overpriced. I would like to sell it someday and probably will unless she ends up loving that bike.

 

 

millennials will put spend their money on a Prius then if that's the case..fail...wonder what the travel range between charging will be, that's the elephant in the room..prices will gradually come down to affordable, like when Plasma tv's came out they were $10,000

 

If that is the case... My guess is the Streetfighter will be over priced and under performed too... Time will tell..

 

Nobody will pay 30k for that bike.