HD sump fix
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HD sump fix
I'm very happy that the motor company has started to address the M8 issues. Most of the issues like the clutch switch even the transmission transfer can be addressed as needed. My concern is that if my Road King (has not sumped to my knowledge) would decide to sump on one of my longer Journeys that it could end up ruining the motor. I have half of year of warranty left and I realize they would replacee it, but that doesn't seem like something I would look forward to. If this new seal is really a fix, do all of you with M8s think we should have it done on our dime? There's no question Harley's not going to offer it as a recall. I was not really interested in changing the cam is there any idea what it would cost to have them put this seal in?I really respect the many opinions that I see on this form all of the time.
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That's a decent question.
Not sumping (yet) but a sump might damage the engine. but then, too, it might not sump ever or the sumping might not damage the engine.
So it would get down to the cost, like insurance or peace-of-mind.
I'd say, ride away, have your fun, until the warranty ** runs out then make a decision... let's make up a level.... (** and the 6 months you have will be enough time to make sure the fix is really a fix, not just yet another of some 8 different band-aids fro HD)
If the fix is not over the top $$$ then have it done. If it's very high AND you have no hinting of sumping then leave it.
(For my thinking, if I owned a pre-'19 M8 and the fix was there, I'd have it done)
Or, another way of thinking - if you have worries then get the fix and stop worrying. Peace of mind Is worth the cost. (and it's better to pay a little now than to have a sumper after the warranty runs out, Sod's Law will have it do damage)
Not sumping (yet) but a sump might damage the engine. but then, too, it might not sump ever or the sumping might not damage the engine.
So it would get down to the cost, like insurance or peace-of-mind.
I'd say, ride away, have your fun, until the warranty ** runs out then make a decision... let's make up a level.... (** and the 6 months you have will be enough time to make sure the fix is really a fix, not just yet another of some 8 different band-aids fro HD)
If the fix is not over the top $$$ then have it done. If it's very high AND you have no hinting of sumping then leave it.
(For my thinking, if I owned a pre-'19 M8 and the fix was there, I'd have it done)
Or, another way of thinking - if you have worries then get the fix and stop worrying. Peace of mind Is worth the cost. (and it's better to pay a little now than to have a sumper after the warranty runs out, Sod's Law will have it do damage)
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I'm very happy that the motor company has started to address the M8 issues. Most of the issues like the clutch switch even the transmission transfer can be addressed as needed. My concern is that if my Road King (has not sumped to my knowledge) would decide to sump on one of my longer Journeys that it could end up ruining the motor. I have half of year of warranty left and I realize they would replacee it, but that doesn't seem like something I would look forward to. If this new seal is really a fix, do all of you with M8s think we should have it done on our dime? There's no question Harley's not going to offer it as a recall. I was not really interested in changing the cam is there any idea what it would cost to have them put this seal in?I really respect the many opinions that I see on this form all of the time.
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Hello MJ I understand exactly how you feel. I don't really want some guy I don't know tearing into my engine.I just don't understand why these guys are driving their motorcycles four and five thousand miles and then all of the sudden it starts doing it. It's hard for me to believe that everyone of our MH that don't have the fix are capable of sumping in the right condition. I feel like mine can sump if if all the weird conditions are met at the same time. And then after warranty I don't have the money to buy a new motor.If you think there is a warning makes me feel better, but it seems like many have burnt their Motors up not realizing what is happening, let alone being stranded.
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I'm very happy that the motor company has started to address the M8 issues. Most of the issues like the clutch switch even the transmission transfer can be addressed as needed. My concern is that if my Road King (has not sumped to my knowledge) would decide to sump on one of my longer Journeys that it could end up ruining the motor. I have half of year of warranty left and I realize they would replacee it, but that doesn't seem like something I would look forward to. If this new seal is really a fix, do all of you with M8s think we should have it done on our dime? There's no question Harley's not going to offer it as a recall. I was not really interested in changing the cam is there any idea what it would cost to have them put this seal in?I really respect the many opinions that I see on this form all of the time.
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When it gets down to it, this is why questions like this are pointless - you'll always get both-sides answers, yea or nay.
There is merit in the "leave it alone" and "ain't broke, don't fix it" - why waste time and $$ on something that might be totally unnecessary.
Another way of looking at it is a rope bridge - imagine a rope bridge made of thin cheap rope... it ain't broke so don't fix it; it's working fine, leave it alone. And, yes, it might never break.
But if it does break it might break with you and your kids walking across it = HUGE cost for the break... whereas a small $$ now, for thicker rope, will make it so it won't break in the future.
After all, we buy the best tyres we can afford, not some Ł30 cheap-**** knock-offs... it makes sense to install a known fix (when it's had time to become "known", let's say) to a known problem - the best part we can afford.
And it gets back to this:
"When it gets down to it, this is why questions like this are pointless - you'll always get both-sides answers, yea or nay."
From what I've read (and feel free to correct me, please), these were "early '19" (first off the lines) models with the older parts still installed, no?
As to why HD would release a '19 model with old parts that cause a known problem... leaves you wondering.
There is merit in the "leave it alone" and "ain't broke, don't fix it" - why waste time and $$ on something that might be totally unnecessary.
Another way of looking at it is a rope bridge - imagine a rope bridge made of thin cheap rope... it ain't broke so don't fix it; it's working fine, leave it alone. And, yes, it might never break.
But if it does break it might break with you and your kids walking across it = HUGE cost for the break... whereas a small $$ now, for thicker rope, will make it so it won't break in the future.
After all, we buy the best tyres we can afford, not some Ł30 cheap-**** knock-offs... it makes sense to install a known fix (when it's had time to become "known", let's say) to a known problem - the best part we can afford.
And it gets back to this:
"When it gets down to it, this is why questions like this are pointless - you'll always get both-sides answers, yea or nay."
As to why HD would release a '19 model with old parts that cause a known problem... leaves you wondering.
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Well one reason it's not a waste of time (LoL) it has rained here in Kansas for 2 weeks solid 45 to 50 degrees have nothing else to do but gather opinions. I've waxed the paint off of it.There's no way I'm going to have this done until I really see if it is a fix.I've been around this forum long enough that I know a lot of guys are thinking about how to protect their investment. It's always good to get the pros and cons of everyone's opinion. If it's a hundred fifty,, $200 fix I think I would probably do it after warranty is gone. A lot of guys spend that much on their gloves. I have no idea what it would cost.
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