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When Can I Assume Bike Will Not Sump?

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Sorry for another sumping question/thread. I am looking for a used 2017/2018 Limited or Road Glide Ultra, hopefully stock. Is there an amount of mileage after which it is safe to assume there will not be a sumping problem? How can I tell if a used bike has had a sumping problem.?
 
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Originally Posted by UltraV
Sorry for another sumping question/thread. I am looking for a used 2017/2018 Limited or Road Glide Ultra, hopefully stock. Is there an amount of mileage after which it is safe to assume there will not be a sumping problem? How can I tell if a used bike has had a sumping problem.?
can’t tell by looking at it so you’ll need service /
warranty records to verify.
only way to test is outlined in the service bulletin, sb1451 i believe. Ride bike hard, let idle then remove crank sensor and measure how much oil comes out.
im on my 3rd m8 and zero transfer or sumping or any issues other then not enough time to ride.
Good luck
 
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That depends on who you talk to. If someone has experienced sumping, they are going to give a different answer than those who have not.

Roll the dice and take your chances.

Edited to add that the larger the displacement, the more likely it seems to sump. Quite a bit more prevalent on the 117 CVO engines. My 120 sumped one time.
 

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The sumping issue seems to be most apparent when a Stage III or Stage IV has been done. Stage I and Stage II don't seem to have many problems.
 
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Long term averages, if it’s 107or 114ci, you have 99% or better it won’t sump.
 
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Long term averages, if it’s 107or 114ci, you have 99% or better it won’t sump.
Yep, you can assume it won't sump the day you buy it.
Does sumping occur on some bikes? Yes.
Is the number of bikes that sump a tiny fraction of all the new bikes? Yes.
 
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Originally Posted by UltraV
Sorry for another sumping question/thread. I am looking for a used 2017/2018 Limited or Road Glide Ultra, hopefully stock. Is there an amount of mileage after which it is safe to assume there will not be a sumping problem? How can I tell if a used bike has had a sumping problem.?
Nothing mechanical comes without risk of some sort of failure. Of the bikes that I've heard of sumping, they had had as little as 17 miles on them (I think) to upwards of 21k miles. So you just have to look at a bike you like, get it's service history, and take a leap. If sumping specifically is you concern, try and find a higher mile (30k+) one owner bike that was ridden very hard by it's current owner. but has good maintenance records.
 
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:14 AM
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Not many easy ways to tell a sumper from a non-sumper before putting money down. If the owner will let you take it for a 1 hr ride you can get a good idea if you’ll have an issue after you own it. Check the oil level before and after a long test ride. If the oil level is substailly lower after the test ride.... walk away.
 
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Ride the bike hard and you probably will join the sump club, otherwise you will probably never encounter a problem. JMHO
 
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Ride the bike hard and you probably will join the sump club, otherwise you will probably never encounter a problem. JMHO
​​​​​​Nonsense, there's no way to make any M8 "probably" sump. IF (and it is extremely unlikely) but IF your bike is even capable of sumping, then yes, riding hard is how you bring it about. But you can ride the vast majority of M8 bikes as hard as you want and they still won't sump.

Unless you're talking about a Stage IV CVO. I think those are disproportionately likely to sump. I don't know if the likelihood rises to "probably", but I think the risk of sumping increases substantially if riding a Stage IV CVO hard.
 
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