117 SE CVO Question
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117 SE CVO Question
My 2019 117 runs great, it runs so good unless something broke, I'll probably leave it alone...but that doesn't stop one from dreaming. I have a couple of questions for the builders and tuners...
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
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My 2019 117 runs great, it runs so good unless something broke, I'll probably leave it alone...but that doesn't stop one from dreaming. I have a couple of questions for the builders and tuners...
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
My 2019 117 runs great, it runs so good unless something broke, I'll probably leave it alone...but that doesn't stop one from dreaming. I have a couple of questions for the builders and tuners...
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Yes, it will respond well to a cam upgrade and dynotune. Removing the cat will help slightly, but not significantly. Mostly cuts down on heat.
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
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so question, just out of curiosity...doesn't sound like the 117 is really much of an advantage over the 114 in stock form anyway...
114 they list as 123 ft lbs of torque at 3000 rpms
117 they list as 125 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpms
the 114 has higher compression, but guessing the 117 has a few more HP ..makes me wonder if there's any real world seat of the pants difference and they only replaced the 114 with the 117 in CVOs to show they are bigger and better for the most expensive bike they offer..I'm probably missing little details that make it better but what are they...???
114 they list as 123 ft lbs of torque at 3000 rpms
117 they list as 125 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpms
the 114 has higher compression, but guessing the 117 has a few more HP ..makes me wonder if there's any real world seat of the pants difference and they only replaced the 114 with the 117 in CVOs to show they are bigger and better for the most expensive bike they offer..I'm probably missing little details that make it better but what are they...???
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so question, just out of curiosity...doesn't sound like the 117 is really much of an advantage over the 114 in stock form anyway...
114 they list as 123 ft lbs of torque at 3000 rpms
117 they list as 125 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpms
the 114 has higher compression, but guessing the 117 has a few more HP ..makes me wonder if there's any real world seat of the pants difference and they only replaced the 114 with the 117 in CVOs to show they are bigger and better for the most expensive bike they offer..I'm probably missing little details that make it better but what are they...???
114 they list as 123 ft lbs of torque at 3000 rpms
117 they list as 125 ft lbs of torque at 3500 rpms
the 114 has higher compression, but guessing the 117 has a few more HP ..makes me wonder if there's any real world seat of the pants difference and they only replaced the 114 with the 117 in CVOs to show they are bigger and better for the most expensive bike they offer..I'm probably missing little details that make it better but what are they...???
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ok, thx..does the "Having ridden a new 114" mean test ride, it wasn't broken in and you didn't wring it out, compared to you wringing out your personal broken in 117? just want to know if it was an apples to apples comparison..if the 117 only is rated 2 peak ft lbs of torque more, and at 500 higher rpms...that to me makes the 114 preferable..on paper anyway,,if the 117 makes a few more hp near redline, to me that's not a big benefit..don't mean to get into analysis paralysis here just trying to get a accurate real world assessment...i gotta' say, my stock 114 in the lighter RGS model and being a solo rider, the smooth linear power band pulls strong through all the gears to 4500 rpms is very useful and seems perfectly suited for touring...got 2600 miles on it so long ago broken in and push it to its limits about once every outing..by 4500 rpms its given the best of what is has to offer, but running hard through the gears to 4500 gets you going quickly and crushing speed limits..very impressed with this stock offering..obviously the 117 will do all that and then some, but it must be difference in the sum of all parts and tweaks cuz I'd never be able to tell the difference of 2 more ft lbs of tq..they probably could have left the 114 in CVOs with a few tweaks and be good, but then they'd sell less because it wasn't bigger and better than the lesser models..LOL
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ok, thx..does the "Having ridden a new 114" mean test ride, it wasn't broken in and you didn't wring it out, compared to you wringing out your personal broken in 117? just want to know if it was an apples to apples comparison..if the 117 only is rated 2 peak ft lbs of torque more, and at 500 higher rpms...that to me makes the 114 preferable..on paper anyway,,if the 117 makes a few more hp near redline, to me that's not a big benefit..don't mean to get into analysis paralysis here just trying to get a accurate real world assessment...i gotta' say, my stock 114 in the lighter RGS model and being a solo rider, the smooth linear power band pulls strong through all the gears to 4500 rpms is very useful and seems perfectly suited for touring...got 2600 miles on it so long ago broken in and push it to its limits about once every outing..by 4500 rpms its given the best of what is has to offer, but running hard through the gears to 4500 gets you going quickly and crushing speed limits..very impressed with this stock offering..obviously the 117 will do all that and then some..they probably could have left the 114 in CVOs with a few tweaks and be good, but then they'd sell less because it wasn't bigger and better than the lesser models..LOL
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SE HEADS? What's the deal with SE heads? How are they different and what makes them better than the basic heads?
SE Heads have different port design, larger valves and different valve springs
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
NO
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
The 107 and 114 all use the same camshaft the CVO 117 has a upgrades cam
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Yes
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Depends on who's tools as the cam bearing itself is the same as the TC bearing
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
SE Heads have different port design, larger valves and different valve springs
Intake? Does the 117 already have the 64mm intake?
NO
SE 117 CVO cam? What is it exactly? Is it different than say the 114?
What is it similar to, both MoCo and aftermarket?
The 107 and 114 all use the same camshaft the CVO 117 has a upgrades cam
Will a stock 117 respond well to just a cam upgrade and professional dynotune and a TTS (say leaving the stock exhaust)?
Yes
Cam Tools...Will the cam tools for a twin cam work on a M8? I have the full set of cam tools from the job on a 2014 FLHTK...
Depends on who's tools as the cam bearing itself is the same as the TC bearing
Lastly, How much did MoCo leave on the table with the 117 if anything?
