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Old Jan 1, 2020 | 10:56 AM
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Anyone using a +4 degree Andrews crank sprocket in an M8 application? This advances or retards cam timing 4 degrees. Looking for feedback.

I used one of these years ago in a Twin Cam and advanced the cam 4 degrees. It definitely shifts the torque curve to the left several hundred RPM.

Was thinking about this for use in my 124 build with Wood 408 cam.
 
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My thinking is if the cam is properly designed for the application advancing or retarding it won’t work as well after changing from the design.
Pick the cam with the timing where desired.
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Originally Posted by VDeuce
Anyone using a +4 degree Andrews crank sprocket in an M8 application? This advances or retards cam timing 4 degrees. Looking for feedback.

I used one of these years ago in a Twin Cam and advanced the cam 4 degrees. It definitely shifts the torque curve to the left several hundred RPM.

Was thinking about this for use in my 124 build with Wood 408 cam.
Got a RS 548 nib if you want more left side 25 intake close, stock heads in example below

 

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Thanks for the thoughts, guys. I've seen the dyno charts with the 408 cam, but with a 44 intake close, wonder how it would be advanced 4 degrees.
 
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Thanks for the thoughts, guys. I've seen the dyno charts with the 408 cam, but with a 44 intake close, wonder how it would be advanced 4 degrees.
the 408 with +4 gear would be very close to the WM8-77x
 
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[QUOTE=yobtaf103;18772161]Got a RS 548 nib if you want more left side 25 intake close, stock heads in example below

this is my 18 road king with the S&S power package. In addition stage 1 heads, HPI 58MM, S&S intake, 6.1 injectors, recluse clutch, and S&S 2-1 exhaust. I'd love to replace that 550 S&S and see what I can get out of that RS 448.

 
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I think I'm going to retard my RS468 -4 degrees when I go 117/120 so it might not be too nasty in wet conditions.

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Got a RS 548 nib if you want more left side 25 intake close, stock heads in example below

Jeffs96 PM me, think you need to get post count up 1st
 
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Originally Posted by VDeuce
Anyone using a +4 degree Andrews crank sprocket in an M8 application? This advances or retards cam timing 4 degrees. Looking for feedback.

I used one of these years ago in a Twin Cam and advanced the cam 4 degrees. It definitely shifts the torque curve to the left several hundred RPM.

Was thinking about this for use in my 124 build with Wood 408 cam.
I think you answered your own question when you said, “I used one of these years ago in a Twin Cam and advanced the cam 4 degrees. It definitely shifts the torque curve to the left several hundred RPM

Up to a point, advancing a cam typically makes the cam seem smaller and shifts the torque curve to the left, maybe 200-400 rpm or so. In other words, the engine builds more torque (higher cylinder filling) at lower rpm and less torque up top.

But there is more to optimum cam timing than just intake valve close (IVC). If you have to advance or retard more than 4 degrees, you are probably better off with different overall cam timing.

A cam gives an engine its personality by allowing you to rock the torque curve either left or right, or even up or down.

There’s no “one right” cam. Whatever cam (power curve) works for your application and priorities is the right cam.

Advancing the long-duration, relatively late-closing 408 cam in a pump-gas 124ci M8 is worth trying.
 
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