Value of a new 117?
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Value of a new 117?
I've posted a lot on putting a crate motor in my 11 SG vs buying a new bike and building off that. My local dealer just got in a 2022 Battleship Gray Road Glide ST, and gave me a really good offer on it. I am going to go test drive it tomorrow, and if I like it, I'm going to go that route and build off that bike. There is a huge out of pocket price difference to go that route and I'm still prepared to walk away if I don't see the value difference, but in the end I'm leaning that way because it'll be much cheaper than putting a $10k motor/clutch/tune into this 2011 bike only to decide that the grass is greener and doing a 2022 anyhow.
So, just trying to get my ducks in a row. Assuming I go this direction, I'll be going with a big bore build. It probably makes the most sense to build off this 117", but I figured it was worth asking- if I bought a crate 131" Screamin Eagle motor (and put a different cam in it,) what type of value would you expect a new 117" to have? I'm not even sure I'd bother to pick this bike up at this point, I may just leave it at the dealer and drive my 2011 for what's left of the season here in Maine.
So, just trying to get my ducks in a row. Assuming I go this direction, I'll be going with a big bore build. It probably makes the most sense to build off this 117", but I figured it was worth asking- if I bought a crate 131" Screamin Eagle motor (and put a different cam in it,) what type of value would you expect a new 117" to have? I'm not even sure I'd bother to pick this bike up at this point, I may just leave it at the dealer and drive my 2011 for what's left of the season here in Maine.
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Why not just do the 131 big bore kit? A lot cheaper than the crate 131. You probably won't recoup enough from the 117 to make up the difference between the two. Not to mention you'll get a couple of really cool ashtrays out of the deal.
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I wouldn't be so quick to kick the warranty to the curb until you decide what kind of #'s you are looking for in a build and how you going to use the bike.
monster hp and torque tends to break all kinds of stuff downstream. Unless money is no object, you should decide what power will make you happy before diving in. Also If you opt for RDRS then even more things come into play.
Just my 2 cents.
monster hp and torque tends to break all kinds of stuff downstream. Unless money is no object, you should decide what power will make you happy before diving in. Also If you opt for RDRS then even more things come into play.
Just my 2 cents.
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What kind of power numbers you looking for?
If you want to keep it reasonable, less than 140, do it yourself.
Monster number builds should be by expert level mechanics with all the right tools.
Fuel Moto, Hillside Cycles, Moonshine Harley offer amazing builds as well as many others but IMO, removing your 117 to replace with another epa compliant Harley engine is a real waste. Especially since you’re not concerned with warranty.
Big number engines should have the crank pulled to weld and balance by someone like Darkhorse or Falicon……
If you want to keep it reasonable, less than 140, do it yourself.
Monster number builds should be by expert level mechanics with all the right tools.
Fuel Moto, Hillside Cycles, Moonshine Harley offer amazing builds as well as many others but IMO, removing your 117 to replace with another epa compliant Harley engine is a real waste. Especially since you’re not concerned with warranty.
Big number engines should have the crank pulled to weld and balance by someone like Darkhorse or Falicon……
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I've posted a lot on putting a crate motor in my 11 SG vs buying a new bike and building off that. My local dealer just got in a 2022 Battleship Gray Road Glide ST, and gave me a really good offer on it. I am going to go test drive it tomorrow, and if I like it, I'm going to go that route and build off that bike. There is a huge out of pocket price difference to go that route and I'm still prepared to walk away if I don't see the value difference, but in the end I'm leaning that way because it'll be much cheaper than putting a $10k motor/clutch/tune into this 2011 bike only to decide that the grass is greener and doing a 2022 anyhow.
So, just trying to get my ducks in a row. Assuming I go this direction, I'll be going with a big bore build. It probably makes the most sense to build off this 117", but I figured it was worth asking- if I bought a crate 131" Screamin Eagle motor (and put a different cam in it,) what type of value would you expect a new 117" to have? I'm not even sure I'd bother to pick this bike up at this point, I may just leave it at the dealer and drive my 2011 for what's left of the season here in Maine.
So, just trying to get my ducks in a row. Assuming I go this direction, I'll be going with a big bore build. It probably makes the most sense to build off this 117", but I figured it was worth asking- if I bought a crate 131" Screamin Eagle motor (and put a different cam in it,) what type of value would you expect a new 117" to have? I'm not even sure I'd bother to pick this bike up at this point, I may just leave it at the dealer and drive my 2011 for what's left of the season here in Maine.
You should just do a big bore kit, you are never going to recoup enough off that 117 to make a significant offset of your expense.
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From there, I'm still up in the air over which big bore kit to go with. I reached out to Fuel Moto, I'll follow up my email with a call. I keep seeing the numbers from a Stage 4 131 with a better cam, better exhaust, and better tune and think that may be a good way to go, though the new S&S 132 kit plus good head work is also a great option.
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What kind of power numbers you looking for?
If you want to keep it reasonable, less than 140, do it yourself.
Monster number builds should be by expert level mechanics with all the right tools.
Fuel Moto, Hillside Cycles, Moonshine Harley offer amazing builds as well as many others but IMO, removing your 117 to replace with another epa compliant Harley engine is a real waste. Especially since youre not concerned with warranty.
Big number engines should have the crank pulled to weld and balance by someone like Darkhorse or Falicon
If you want to keep it reasonable, less than 140, do it yourself.
Monster number builds should be by expert level mechanics with all the right tools.
Fuel Moto, Hillside Cycles, Moonshine Harley offer amazing builds as well as many others but IMO, removing your 117 to replace with another epa compliant Harley engine is a real waste. Especially since youre not concerned with warranty.
Big number engines should have the crank pulled to weld and balance by someone like Darkhorse or Falicon