Bye, bye Syn 3
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
ORIGINAL: Pixs
Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
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Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
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I have worked in the Oil and Rifineing industry for 24 plus years and if the oil is to spec it does not matter if Citgo or any other Refiner manufactured it. You would be supprised how many diffrent name brand oils come out of the same Refinery.
I am not knocking any of the oils sugested on this forum, Mobil 1 is one of the best out there bar none along with others but don't buy into a lot of the hype surrounding certain oil related things like the fact that Citgo makes Syn 3, so that in itselfmakes it a bad oil or Amsoils test said it was a bad oil... go figure. I bet you would be suprised how many other brand oils come out ofCitgos Refinery.
Refining has come a long ways and modern oils, Syntetics, Hybrid Synthetics and modern dino oils are pretty darn good if speced right unless your buying some of brand no name oil, even then it has to meet a regulated standard spec.Synthetics are superior no matter the brand for heat related use like the HD Motor.
Again a good top notch oil and oil filter along with proper service intervals is the most important part of it, even over the brand oil you choose.
Also I could give a rats #^*#**# about Hugo Chavez
Take Care,
Bill G
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
ORIGINAL: Bill G
There are a lot of test results out there, most with an agenda. The Motorcycle Consumer News article and test was diffrent than say Amsoils and I do not believe they had a agenda with the test. My only point was that Syn 3 is areally good oil and gets a bum rap by a lot on this forum.
I have worked in the Oil and Rifineing industry for 24 plus years and if the oil is to spec it does not matter if Citgo or any other Refiner manufactured it. You would be supprised how many diffrent name brand oils come out of the same Refinery.
I am not knocking any of the oils sugested on this forum, Mobil 1 is one of the best out there bar none along with others but don't buy into a lot of the hype surrounding certain oil related things like the fact that Citgo makes Syn 3, so that in itselfmakes it a bad oil or Amsoils test said it was a bad oil... go figure. I bet you would be suprised how many other brand oils come out ofCitgos Refinery.
Refining has come a long ways and modern oils, Syntetics, Hybrid Synthetics and modern dino oils are pretty darn good if speced right unless your buying some of brand no name oil, even then it has to meet a regulated standard spec.Synthetics are superior no matter the brand for heat related use like the HD Motor.
Again a good top notch oil and oil filter along with proper service intervals is the most important part of it, even over the brand oil you choose.
Also I could give a rats #^*#**# about Hugo Chavez
Take Care,
Bill G
ORIGINAL: Pixs
Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
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Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
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I have worked in the Oil and Rifineing industry for 24 plus years and if the oil is to spec it does not matter if Citgo or any other Refiner manufactured it. You would be supprised how many diffrent name brand oils come out of the same Refinery.
I am not knocking any of the oils sugested on this forum, Mobil 1 is one of the best out there bar none along with others but don't buy into a lot of the hype surrounding certain oil related things like the fact that Citgo makes Syn 3, so that in itselfmakes it a bad oil or Amsoils test said it was a bad oil... go figure. I bet you would be suprised how many other brand oils come out ofCitgos Refinery.
Refining has come a long ways and modern oils, Syntetics, Hybrid Synthetics and modern dino oils are pretty darn good if speced right unless your buying some of brand no name oil, even then it has to meet a regulated standard spec.Synthetics are superior no matter the brand for heat related use like the HD Motor.
Again a good top notch oil and oil filter along with proper service intervals is the most important part of it, even over the brand oil you choose.
Also I could give a rats #^*#**# about Hugo Chavez
Take Care,
Bill G
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
I too ride in the severe desert heat here in the Southwest and have absolute confidence in Amsoil 20W-50... and I get it shipped right to my door for $6-something a quart 
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
ORIGINAL: bobbav
ENOUGH SAID. [sm=closed.gif]
ORIGINAL: Bill G
There are a lot of test results out there, most with an agenda. The Motorcycle Consumer News article and test was diffrent than say Amsoils and I do not believe they had a agenda with the test. My only point was that Syn 3 is areally good oil and gets a bum rap by a lot on this forum.
I have worked in the Oil and Rifineing industry for 24 plus years and if the oil is to spec it does not matter if Citgo or any other Refiner manufactured it. You would be supprised how many diffrent name brand oils come out of the same Refinery.
I am not knocking any of the oils sugested on this forum, Mobil 1 is one of the best out there bar none along with others but don't buy into a lot of the hype surrounding certain oil related things like the fact that Citgo makes Syn 3, so that in itselfmakes it a bad oil or Amsoils test said it was a bad oil... go figure. I bet you would be suprised how many other brand oils come out ofCitgos Refinery.
Refining has come a long ways and modern oils, Syntetics, Hybrid Synthetics and modern dino oils are pretty darn good if speced right unless your buying some of brand no name oil, even then it has to meet a regulated standard spec.Synthetics are superior no matter the brand for heat related use like the HD Motor.
Again a good top notch oil and oil filter along with proper service intervals is the most important part of it, even over the brand oil you choose.
Also I could give a rats #^*#**# about Hugo Chavez
Take Care,
Bill G
ORIGINAL: Pixs
Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
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Bill G
I saw test results of oils ability to maintain its viscosity over time and Mobile one was a clear winner with Castrol a distant second and many also rans. HD Syn 3 didn't even make the cut.
Besides the crap is made by CITGO, do you really want to support Hugo Chaves?
According to some reports, the MOCO's first choice to sell synthetic oil was Mobile-1 but Mobile would not alow their oil to be marketted under a different name. That came from someone posting on a different board, a marketting rep from mobile.
[align=left][/align]
I have worked in the Oil and Rifineing industry for 24 plus years and if the oil is to spec it does not matter if Citgo or any other Refiner manufactured it. You would be supprised how many diffrent name brand oils come out of the same Refinery.
I am not knocking any of the oils sugested on this forum, Mobil 1 is one of the best out there bar none along with others but don't buy into a lot of the hype surrounding certain oil related things like the fact that Citgo makes Syn 3, so that in itselfmakes it a bad oil or Amsoils test said it was a bad oil... go figure. I bet you would be suprised how many other brand oils come out ofCitgos Refinery.
Refining has come a long ways and modern oils, Syntetics, Hybrid Synthetics and modern dino oils are pretty darn good if speced right unless your buying some of brand no name oil, even then it has to meet a regulated standard spec.Synthetics are superior no matter the brand for heat related use like the HD Motor.
Again a good top notch oil and oil filter along with proper service intervals is the most important part of it, even over the brand oil you choose.
Also I could give a rats #^*#**# about Hugo Chavez
Take Care,
Bill G
The MCN was a good report. But it is now too old to be considered authoritative, except in a very general way. Probably every oil in the report has been reconfigured several times since then.
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
Thank you for your opinion.. I agree and always have agreed about Mobil 1 synthetics and have never said Syn 3 was a better oil. The MCN report was done in 03, only just now 4 yearsago. I think it was donethoroughover all and I found ita little more than informative my self, it had more info than the Amsoil test I reviewed.
Some of the oils addiditive packages may have been changed some by now, I have no way to know that myself. Think about this though, ifoil manufacturesare changing oils that much like you say!!in only a few years that would lead me to be cocerned from month to month or year to year about the consistency of the oil brand of my choice.What if they maid a change that maid it less quality to cut corners leaving you to think you were still geting the better product before the change ?
With respect, I do not think the formulations are changed to much if any after a product is speced and marketed unless a goverment mandated change, restriction, or regulationis put on the oil companys process.
Take Care,
Bill G
Some of the oils addiditive packages may have been changed some by now, I have no way to know that myself. Think about this though, ifoil manufacturesare changing oils that much like you say!!in only a few years that would lead me to be cocerned from month to month or year to year about the consistency of the oil brand of my choice.What if they maid a change that maid it less quality to cut corners leaving you to think you were still geting the better product before the change ?
With respect, I do not think the formulations are changed to much if any after a product is speced and marketed unless a goverment mandated change, restriction, or regulationis put on the oil companys process.
Take Care,
Bill G
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RE: Bye, bye Syn 3
Not to argue, but there have been at least two major changes to Mobil 1 formulations in that time, and not just to the additive package. One recent test appeared to show that it was no longer a Group IV synthetic, but was substantially a Group III hydro-cracked base.
Amsoil brought out new formulations, also.
I had several grades of the Mobil 1, as well as Syn 3,tested by an independent lab a couple years ago. I believe the Syn 3 used during that test was made by Sunoco, though it is now made by Citgo. It was definitely inferior to both the car and MC Mobil 1. But, thast isn't saying it's not a good oil, just that it wasn't as good as the Mobil 1. HD is silent on any changes, though just before the change they said (paraphrasing),"why would we want to change a supplier we've dealt with for years?"
Amsoil brought out new formulations, also.
I had several grades of the Mobil 1, as well as Syn 3,tested by an independent lab a couple years ago. I believe the Syn 3 used during that test was made by Sunoco, though it is now made by Citgo. It was definitely inferior to both the car and MC Mobil 1. But, thast isn't saying it's not a good oil, just that it wasn't as good as the Mobil 1. HD is silent on any changes, though just before the change they said (paraphrasing),"why would we want to change a supplier we've dealt with for years?"
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