I'm noticing the new footpegs too on the ST model.

 

This new Pan America ST is a competitor the Ducati Multistrada Pikes Peak, although BMW competes indirectly with the S1000 XR.

The PA has a similar seventeen inch set up but 150 horses to 170hp of both the Ducati PP and BMW XR.

Anyways it an easy thing to do, for them. Probably a lost occasion, as I think they should have bumped a bit HP with it, at least to 160hp.

HD is so slow in this decade with its product development, seems they are still stuck in that Covid time frame that very little is happening.

 

They offer the same seats as in previous models as an alternative.

 

this bike comes at the right time, I too came across this model by chance while looking at the Harley site from afar because I'm not too interested in the new products this year, I don't really like the new body style of the Tourings and I've been around Softails a bit. I tried the Pan America Special when it came out and I must say that the engine impressed me a lot but having a big ADV to go on the road didn't really appeal to me.
I think that the Moco really hit the nail on the head, the look is much better than the S and the qualities of this machine will work wonders on our French road network, much more narrow and tormented than yours, I live in the countryside near the mountains and the majority of my rides are on small roads with bends and I like to ride on this kind of route in addition to two or three slightly longer road trips per year and I think that it could be the ideal machine for me who is 65 years old now. The only thing that slows me down is the style. I've been riding Harleys for years and I like the custom style. I'm currently riding a Road King special and this Pan Am ST is still very modern. another thing is the sportiness of this model, I'm more of a calm and contemplative rider and I don't like speed, so maybe it wouldn't suit me. I like Harleys for their big bottom end torque and slow revving engines.
But I'll go try it.

 

Wondering when we'll see these in dealerships. I've heard because of the overseas production, dealers are given the option to opt out of selling the '25 pan ams. I would imagine alot of dealers who are anti-PA would opt out.

 

As a long distance road touring rider, I kind of like it. I think it should have a belt final drive since it's not an offroader. Having a touring bike that does not require daily chain maintenance when doing 500+ mile days would give the PA a major edge over the competition for long distance travel. The Sportster S already has this engine with belt drive, so it's not like it can't be done.

I also don't think it should be priced the same as the PAS since it is a bit stripped down. 17" wheels don't equal what has been stripped off of the PAS for them to be the same cost. Now, if it had a belt drive, I could see the cost being the same or a bit higher.

A sport touring bike with no valve and chain maintenance requirements = take my money!

 

Excuse me while i intrude into your forum....
ive done some research into swapping the pa sprockets onto a sportster s.
it has already been done by one member on the forum here- the components just bolt on.
you may have some interference issues with a wider belt drive onto a PA- but could be done im sure.
your gearing will be slightly taller with the stock sportster s stuff- but on a road bike with 150 hp- that may be a good thing!

 

Don't you have a link to this mod ?

 

Not gonna be a popular opinion, but I think the ST is a swing and a miss. I think they identified the right market, a proper street tourer with a rip-roaring engine, but for a number of reasons this particular version of the Pan America ST is not the bike I wish it was. Reason #1 is like mikefmoto said, chain final drive instead of belt or shaft. This bike's obvious competition is the BMW R1300RT/R1250RT, and some would argue the Gold Wing; those are big-mile bikes and none of those bikes ues a chain because chain maintenance sucks; a shaft or a belt are maintenance free. Chains are pretty much required for an off-road bike like the original Pan America, but for a strictly on-road bike they really should have gone with a belt, just like every Harley Grand American Touring bike and Cruiser touring bikes and all the trikes have.

Second, it's pretty much the same bike as the existing Pan America. So what's the point? And what I mean by that is, look at the BMW GS vs the RT, the RT has totally different bodywork, different fairing, different bags, everything designed to make for a better more comfortable on-road-only long distance touring bike. The Pan Am doesn't. It's basically just a regular Pan Am with smaller wheels and street tires (which will make it a better sport bike) but no improvement to wind protection (which would have made it better as a touring bike). In fact, the ST has a smaller/shorter windscreen than the regular PA. If I was choosing between them, as a tourer or sport tourer I'd buy the regular Pan America, even for just road touring, just because it's capable of things the ST isn't. If I was trying to buy a Bronx or sport bike, then the ST is the closest match to that that Harley has.

So good on them for recognizing the desire for a lighter weight street tourer, but I think this is just more of a parts-swap bike rather than what I really wish they would have produced, which would be a 475lb, 975cc, 28-inch seat, full fairing, belt-drive sport tourer. Something more like the Triumph Tiger 900 GT, but with wind protection more like the BMW RT. I'm picturing something more like their huge hit Low Rider ST, but a Rev Max based bike that's 225 pounds less weight while still having the same HP as the LRST. That's what I was hoping they would produce. I think it would be an out of the park home run for Harley as it'd probably be much more appealing to new riders/new to the brand, and I bet a whole lot of aging riders would be very very interested in a Harley touring bike that weighed 500 pounds instead of the >900 lbs of the Ultra. I may be nuts, but I think people would line up around the block for something like that. I think the existing Pan America ST might increase overall Pan Am sales by maybe 10%, but the 975ST (as I'll call it) would probably increase Pan Am sales by 1,000%.

EDIT: actually, maybe the Pan Am is the wrong bike to start from; maybe they should make what I'm talking about as a "Nightster ST"; just add a fairing and some bags like they did to the Low Rider (and a Sundowner) and you're pretty much there. It's even belt drive already, and they already offer a Sundowner and some detachable bags (a little small at about 20L each but they look good). That bike might be pretty interesting. And if they made the fairing with some bodywork, they could cover up a lot of the left side of the engine that everyone complains about... I wish it had the 110hp of the Bronx, but 91 is not a slouch. I wonder if Klockwerx would make a Nightster S bracket for the Wedge fairing?

Dang, I had no interest in the Nightster at all, and now I kinda got the itch to built a Nightster ST...

 

Sorry bud- dont know how to do 'links' on here (or anywhere for that matter-lol)
i know motorcycles- not how to computer.
- but its discussed in the sportster s forum titled 'gearing change- anyone done this yet?'