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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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I just bought a sifton oil pump for my 56 pan. when i tighten last bolt shaft locks up. I wonder if anyone has any ideas.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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I take it that you have the cam cover off so you can move the drive gear. Try loosening all the bolts and shifting the position of the pump slightly. Keep checking for binding as you tighten. When you tighten the pump tighten them in a cross pattern. The pump only has to be tightened down 45-50 inch pounds. May require more for after market pumps.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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Thanks for info. But i found out that pump body was not drilled correctly causing gears to stand out .002 past body.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2008 | 05:05 PM
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Checking my references, they claim that the gears should protrude between .003 and .004 inches above the surface. I had this problem with a new stock Harley pump I bought. I had to go through a bunch of gaskets before I found one that was thick enough that when tightened it would not bind. I measured a mylar gasket and it was .007 so if tightened down to compress half its thickness it would still give enough clearance.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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how are you noticing that it locks up? I ask because I just put all new gaskets and seals in mine, and it had paper gaskets in when I took it apart and now it has the plastic ones... just don't want to junk my motor!!
 
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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how are you noticing that it locks up? I ask because I just put all new gaskets and seals in mine, and it had paper gaskets in when I took it apart and now it has the plastic ones... just don't want to junk my motor!!
When ever you disassemble the oil pump for a gasket change or any other reason you need to pull off the gear cover, pinion gear and pinion oil pump gear. You can then turn the oil pump drive gear as you tighten the pump cover. This insures that the gears are assembled properly and cover doesn’t bind. I know it’s a pain in the ****, but if the pump seizes or a key shears you have a lot more work. You need the special socket for the left handed pinion nut, a pinion gear puller and another puller for the pinion oil pump gear. This, like I said, is a pain because you have to remove the exhaust, pushrods, cam, etc. I usually let the oil pump leak until I need to do other work.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 12:46 AM
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yeah, that really wasn't an option. Mine didnt' leak out the gasket, the seal inside was leaking, allowing the oil from the tank to fill up the crank case, which would leave about a half quart on the ground every time you started it up. I just thought i'd ask, because I really didn't feel like tearing that all apart on mine. It's a shovelhead, not a pan head, but still seems like too much to tear down for that!!
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 03:51 PM
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yeah, that really wasn't an option. Mine didnt' leak out the gasket, the seal inside was leaking, allowing the oil from the tank to fill up the crank case, which would leave about a half quart on the ground every time you started it up. I just thought i'd ask, because I really didn't feel like tearing that all apart on mine. It's a shovelhead, not a pan head, but still seems like too much to tear down for that!!
Panhead or Shovelhead they are basically the same. Leaking down and filling the crankcase is usually a bad check valve. It’s a spring and steel ball under one of the caps on the oil pump. Some times just reseating the ball with a brass punch is enough to keep it from leaking. Try cleaning seat and then reseating. You may also need a new spring.
 
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no, it wasn't the seat or the check ball. I tried that first, but to no avail. I had to pull the oil pump apart and found that the seal that seperates the feed pump and the scavenger pump halves was torn. I've already ran it on several occasions after I fixed it, so I know the seal was the problem.
 

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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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panheadmcc, another thing you might want to try is tightening the bolts down in multiple steps. When I did mine, i first just snugged them slightly, then tightened them to 10 ft. lbs, then to 25, and then to 45. This might help from squishing the gasket where you tighten the first bolt and keep the clearance to a max.
 
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