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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 12:00 PM
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Question Same old shovelhead primary question

I know this question has come up a lot, did some searching, and want some fresh info. i read people for blocking off the oil in the primary, and others saying don't. i even had some guys at the local indy shop try to talk me into evo inner and 5 spd trans and so on. i don't wanna change this bike that much i don't think. speaking of that, is there a trans upgrade without losing the kicker. can you do a 5 spd in the 4 spd case?

anyway, whats the pros and cons of blocking it off. can you simply block the oiler and return? is the crank case ventilation else where?

those that have not blocked it off, what do you do for storage? i drained the oil and left the plug out last winter, but i don't want to have to do that, i'd rather be able to fire it up or ride on a whim. otherwise the oil will all be in the primary on this bike in a month or so of sitting.

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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I hate to type call me I do run a 5speed in a 4 608-847 4240
 
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 12:19 AM
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To convert it to a wet primary you have to block off the feed, return and vent. You have to have the cover pefectly sealed and run the correct amount of oil in the primary. Personally I have run the stock set up for 35 years with no problems. If you seal the primary and the oil runs low you will cook your chain and wear out the adjuster shoe in just a few miles. I've got a 100,000 miles out of a chain with stock oil return system. If you keep on top of it the sealed primary offers the advantage of no crud from the primary circulating through your motor. The choice is yours. Just remember the day you don't check the oil level will be the day it is low.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 01:53 AM
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i dont know of any cons to doing this but it will keep all the crap going into your motor.here is a link with instructions and pictures

http://shovelhead.us/specs/oil/oil.htm
 
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 07:24 AM
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thanks everyone.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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I run the stock set up also, 132000+ miles and not 1 problem. Change the oil and filter every 3000.
 
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Seal your primary on older shovelheads. Some never have troubles, but do you want metal flakes coming back into your engine from the primary. If you go to the Shovelhead.us site, you will have amble information to why you must do this. Your call.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by daven9113
Seal your primary on older shovelheads. Some never have troubles, but do you want metal flakes coming back into your engine from the primary. If you go to the Shovelhead.us site, you will have amble information to why you must do this. Your call.
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thanks for that link
 
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Originally Posted by Shovel Die Hard
I know this question has come up a lot, did some searching, and want some fresh info. i read people for blocking off the oil in the primary, and others saying don't. i even had some guys at the local indy shop try to talk me into evo inner and 5 spd trans and so on. i don't wanna change this bike that much i don't think. speaking of that, is there a trans upgrade without losing the kicker. can you do a 5 spd in the 4 spd case?

anyway, whats the pros and cons of blocking it off. can you simply block the oiler and return? is the crank case ventilation else where?

those that have not blocked it off, what do you do for storage? i drained the oil and left the plug out last winter, but i don't want to have to do that, i'd rather be able to fire it up or ride on a whim. otherwise the oil will all be in the primary on this bike in a month or so of sitting.

thanks for the info.
I blocked off my primary a few months ago and have been having transmission oil migration issues. I tried venting the trans as my 80's 5 speed had no vent. (removed a top cover bolt leading to the gears.) No change. I only ride approx 40 miles (stop and go traffic) and it seems to suck most of the fluid from the trans to the primary. I start off with 16 oz trans fluid. End up with 32 oz trans fl mix with gear oil after approx 40 miles and almost no gear oil in the trans. Never had this problem that I know off with stock drip and return system. I still love the way the primary stays lubed and cleaned. First drain from a stock drip to sealed primary, a bunch of metal shavings and crap came out. It seemed to clean the entire primary interior. As for my second solution, I am trying to block off the breather at the top of the primary as this is the only way air can enter or exit. Some say that a breather is necessary. I believe the primary is producing a vacuum and drawing fluid through the clutch rod. (the only way into the primary from the trans) Checked the clutch rod seal and it seemed good. Havent taken it for a ride yet but am running out of options. I think this may solve the problem as the primary will generate pressure instead of a vacuum and pressure will leave through the clutch rod hole pushing back into the vented trans instead of suck through the hole. Re; maintenance, when I change the oil i change the primary and trans.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 06:17 AM
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ya ever consider a belt drive? it may not be in your funds right now but it ends all that oil issues and the big heavy chain --

BDL 47-31 SE-4 -- your gonna need a vented outer primary cover --
 
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