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Do u think since the duoglide is on front fender that was to show it had a pan bottom and shovel top/it also has the rocker clutch. I will check for other numbers on frame and tranny. I will send serial number to harley customer service thanks for help
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The Duo glide emblem on the front fender may be a replacement fender if it is a 69. 66-69 shovels were known as generator shovels, or flat sides. Pan-shovel is a misnomer since the cases on a shovel were unique and not the same as the panhead they resembled. Most of the lower end parts of a generator shovel are interchangeable with a panhead but the cases themselves were different. They were made for the aluminum primary covers, they had no raised boss on the front right of the motor for the cutout relay. The overhead oil line is off the right rear. On a panhead overhead oil models it is in the center between the tappet blocks. It sounds like you might have a mix and match bike. Check the belly numbers on the motor they will be on each half of the cases and should match. They do not match the vin. They should be in the fromat 169-XXXX The first number indicates it is a 74" motor, the 69 will be the year the case was machined and the four following numbers should be the same indicating they were machined as a pair. If you have an early 69 it may have a 168-xxxx case but it will not have any other number such as 67 or 70.
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Filthy, thanks for the info. I agree, your serial number indicates your bike was produced late in the 1968 model run. And your frame having a gusset is consistent with the year info in the parts catalogs. Eric
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Thanks for all the info. Everyone is correct-my duoglide front fender is not orig- mine is a elecrtoglide. It is a true shovel,as harley never produced a half breed as i thought pan bottom shovel top- only done after production. My shifter comes from frame not attached to tank. But i do believe the shifter on tank was for the police bike. It was bought a baltimore maryland police auction. I do need help in finding a replacement windshield??????????????????????? I am riding the bike already and almost ready to tag it and ready to roll. Rocker clutch is a challange. But i am used to the suicide shifter and mouse trap clutch on my 46 knuckle. Thanks for all help as i have been looking for another shovel since i sold my last one when i needed money after college.
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Got in touch with hd.said from c onversation mine was ))99% sure it was a police bike.they said all police specials were the fl model with hand shifter. Also said 67,68,69 models all has panhead bottoms and shovel topends from factory went with true shovel in 1979.mine was s;uppose to have electraglide on front fender and not duoglide must have been in wreck or new owner could not fix hole from where siren was mounted.there were 2 places for siren on front fender or mounted on frame in back on left side.
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I stand by my previous statement. The 66-69 Shovelhead lower ends resemble panhead lower ends but the cases are different. Fl models had low compression pistons and standard cam. FLH had high compression pistons and the H cam also known as the Victory cam. Stock FLH models had a H decal on the oiltank as well as the FLH in the VIN.
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KnuckVa, I think theres some confusion regarding exactly what the person at H-D meant when they referred to the crankcases used for 19661969 Shovelheads.
Although not all 19481964 Panhead crankcase sets were the same as each other, all 19481964 Panhead left-hand cases were cast and machined, however differently, to accommodate one type or another of tin inner primary cover. But that changed for the last Panhead which was the 1965 model. Two new crankcase halves were introduced for the 1965 Panhead and one difference from earlier years was that the left case now accommodated the new-for-1965 aluminium inner primary cover.
The Big Twin generator Shovelhead was first introduced for 1966 and was used through 1969. The 19661969 Shovelhead crankcase sets are similar to the 1965 Panhead cases but not exactly the same, even though they all accommodate an aluminium inner primary cover.
Some people refer to stock 19661969 Shovelheads as Pan-Shovels but that is incorrect. What they are referring to is the similarity of the 19661969 Shovelhead cases with the 1965 Panhead cases. However, I have also heard the term Pan-Shovel used where an engine builder has combined certain parts from a Panhead with certain parts from a Shovelheadfor example, crankcases etc from a 1960 Panhead and a top end from a 1968 Shovelhead. And in that sort of situation I would think it appropriate to use the term Pan-Shovel.
You mentioned: ... went with true shovel in 1979. But that doesnt make sense. As I said above, Big Twin Shovelheads were first introduced for 1966. And they were equipped with a generator which remained through 1969. The alternator appeared for 1970 and changes were made to both crankcase halves for that year: 1970. And although there were further changes to Shovelheads in later yearsincluding an increase in engine sizethe alternator and the type of cases that accommodated it remained in use through the end of Big Twin Shovelhead production. Eric
Although not all 19481964 Panhead crankcase sets were the same as each other, all 19481964 Panhead left-hand cases were cast and machined, however differently, to accommodate one type or another of tin inner primary cover. But that changed for the last Panhead which was the 1965 model. Two new crankcase halves were introduced for the 1965 Panhead and one difference from earlier years was that the left case now accommodated the new-for-1965 aluminium inner primary cover.
The Big Twin generator Shovelhead was first introduced for 1966 and was used through 1969. The 19661969 Shovelhead crankcase sets are similar to the 1965 Panhead cases but not exactly the same, even though they all accommodate an aluminium inner primary cover.
Some people refer to stock 19661969 Shovelheads as Pan-Shovels but that is incorrect. What they are referring to is the similarity of the 19661969 Shovelhead cases with the 1965 Panhead cases. However, I have also heard the term Pan-Shovel used where an engine builder has combined certain parts from a Panhead with certain parts from a Shovelheadfor example, crankcases etc from a 1960 Panhead and a top end from a 1968 Shovelhead. And in that sort of situation I would think it appropriate to use the term Pan-Shovel.
You mentioned: ... went with true shovel in 1979. But that doesnt make sense. As I said above, Big Twin Shovelheads were first introduced for 1966. And they were equipped with a generator which remained through 1969. The alternator appeared for 1970 and changes were made to both crankcase halves for that year: 1970. And although there were further changes to Shovelheads in later yearsincluding an increase in engine sizethe alternator and the type of cases that accommodated it remained in use through the end of Big Twin Shovelhead production. Eric
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