Don't get your panties all twisted Johnjzjz, I was just asking a question. If you don't like people responding to what you say don't post in an open forum.

I know in the several jurisdictions I have worked something like this probably would not have happened. If ownership could not have been verified during the contact the bike (or automobile for that matter) would be detained until ownership could be verified. Auctioning off a vehicle with an improper or unverifiable VIN would take a LONG time in any jurisdiction I have ever worked. You make it sound as though he went home to get his proof of ownership and they auctioned it off before he could get back with his proof.

A person who legitimately owns any vehicle should be able to provide a modicum of proof that they own the vehicle/bike in a very timely manner. In any jurisdiction I have ever worked, if the vehicle cannot be proven stolen, then the minimum amount of proof is all they would need to prove ownership. The state may require the bike be inspected and issued a new VIN number. But he would get his bike back. That is if he legitimately owned it.

But I get it, I get the fact that you either BS, or perpetuate it.

You remind me of the people that say "the police just showed up and arrested him for no reason".

 

not all deptments are like the ones you worked as most of my direct family, things are in align with some like yours

NOPD is not one of those BTW - its all up for grabs

if you didnot hear that after Katrina you were not listening

 

Are you speaking from first hand experience or are you repeating internet rumors? No offense to anyone on here but the NOPD under good circumstances is hardly an example of the police departments across the US, much less during the aftermath of Katrina.

You can't take some extreme example and anecdotally apply it across the spectrum.

For the record, I listen a lot more than you realize, you should try listening more and a little less assuming.

 

Bike didn't check out anyway. checked with LEO here and they advised against it. I'm still active duty Army and am not looking for anything questionable... Thanks for all the replies though! I did pick up a 74 XLCH though , far cry from a Shovel, but made me grin riding it , so that's all that really matters!

 

In Florida if the VIN is removed or altered it is subject to forfeiture.

FS 319.33
d) To possess, sell or offer for sale, conceal, or dispose of in this state a motor vehicle or mobile home, or major component part thereof, on which any motor number or vehicle identification number that has been affixed by the manufacturer or by a state agency, such as the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, which regulates motor vehicles has been destroyed, removed, covered, altered, or defaced, with knowledge of such destruction, removal, covering, alteration, or defacement,
(7)(a) If all identifying numbers of a motor vehicle or mobile home do not exist or have been destroyed, removed, covered, altered, or defaced, or if the real identity of the motor vehicle or mobile home cannot be determined, the motor vehicle or mobile home shall constitute contraband and shall be subject to forfeiture by a seizing law enforcement agency, pursuant to applicable provisions of ss. 932.701-932.704. Such motor vehicle shall not be operated on the streets and highways of the state unless, by written order of a court of competent jurisdiction, the department is directed to assign to the vehicle a replacement vehicle identification number which shall thereafter be used for identification purposes. If the motor vehicle is confiscated from a licensed motor vehicle dealer as defined in s. 320.27, the dealer’s license shall be revoked.
(b) If all numbers or other identifying marks manufactured on a major component part have been altered, defaced, destroyed, or otherwise removed for the purpose of concealing the identity of the major component part, the part shall constitute contraband and shall be subject to forfeiture by a seizing law enforcement agency, pursuant to applicable provisions of ss. 932.701-932.704. Any major component part forfeited under this subsection shall be destroyed or disposed of in a manner so as to make it unusable.

 

So according to this if you have a pre 70 harley, you should just stay home cowered in a corner waiting for the police to come get it. There are plenty of ways to get a bike legal if the parts are not stolen. It would take weeks, if not months for police to get a bike to auction...what was this guy doing? Don't believe we are hearing the whole story here.

 

OK the guy then and today is still a customer of the shop and went to NO for mardi gras after katrina thought to be a good time -

is had to fly back he did not have the jersey title with him and by the time he had to go to court it was gone

that is what the guy told me them and still today i believe him - he has since bought and sold a few early bikes

if that makes some feel they must spue about hiding in the corner < iam so happy for you

and my son in law is with UCERT in jersey and they went to help at katrina today he ia a lieutenant - had nothing good to say about them and what they were doing NOPD

 

In Kali the frame and motor must match in order to be registered without a "blue tag" (special construction m/c). DMV will send you to the CHP and they will have one of their officers verify that the numbers are good. If it passes inspection both the frame and motor are assigned the"blue tag" and the bike would be a 2014 special construction motorcycle.

You do not say what state you live in but differents states have different rules. I would not jump into purchasing it w/o knowing how the rules apply.

 

What state are you from ?


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750.415 Concealing or misrepresenting identity of motor vehicle or mechanical device as misdemeanor or felony; evidence of violation; confiscation; sale at public auction; revocation of dealer's license; vehicle identification plate and applicable labels; motor vehicle or part with identification number removed.

Sec. 415.
(1) A person who, without the intent to mislead another as to the identity of the vehicle, conceals or misrepresents the identity of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device by removing or defacing the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number on the motor vehicle, or by replacing a part of the motor vehicle or mechanical device bearing the serial number or engine or motor number of the vehicle with a new part upon which the proper serial number or engine or motor number has not been stamped, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(2) A person who, with the intent to mislead another as to the identity of a vehicle, conceals or misrepresents the identity of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device by removing or defacing the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number on the motor vehicle, or by replacing a part of the motor vehicle or mechanical device bearing the serial number or engine or motor number of the vehicle with a new part upon which the proper serial number or engine or motor number has not been stamped, is guilty of a felony, and if the person is a licensed dealer, the dealer's license shall be revoked.
(3) In all prosecutions under this section, possession by a person of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device with the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number removed, defaced, destroyed or altered or with a part bearing the number or numbers replaced by one on which the proper number does not appear, shall be prima facie evidence of violation of this section.
(4) If the identification of a motor vehicle or a mechanical device has been removed, defaced, or altered as provided in this section and the real identity of the motor vehicle or mechanical device cannot be determined, the motor vehicle or mechanical device shall be subject to confiscation by the state and shall be sold at public auction, put to official use by the government agency seizing the vehicle, or rendered scrap. If the items are confiscated from a licensed vehicle dealer, the dealer's license shall be revoked.

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750.536a Rendering goods or property unidentifiable; possession or
sale of goods or property with identifying number obscured, defaced,
altered, obliterated, removed, destroyed, or otherwise concealed or
disguised.

Sec. 536a.

(1) A person who obscures, defaces, alters, obliterates, removes,
destroys, or otherwise conceals or disguises any registration, serial,
or other identifying number embossed, engraved, carved, stamped,
welded, or otherwise placed or situated in or upon goods or property
held for sale in the ordinary course of business with the intent to
render the goods or property unidentifiable shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor.

 

Years ago when I lived in Wyoming They didn't care about a frame number what so ever. Titled there off of engine number.
Moved to Colorado and they did not care about the engine number what so ever. Had to go thru hell for them to title with a Colorado frame sticker that weathers after a period of time and then you have to go to DMV to be inspected and get another. Then get a new title again!