Burly Cables On A Springer...?
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Burly Cables On A Springer...?
Hey Gang,
I am getting ready to try some new bars on my Softail and decided to go with less expensive cables given that in the near future, I may want to go with an internal throttle and jockey shift and so don't want to sink too much money in to cables that I may be getting rid of half a season later.
(Please; no lectures on what I should or shouldn't do as that is not the info I am looking for here.)
I've decided to go with Burly as they are the most reasonable and it's for a complete system including wire extensions. I've even come across a used set making them even less expensive!
I noticed on their site that they don't list Springers as a model that their products fit. I emailed them and sure enough, they replied saying their kits won't work with Springers. I was confused wondering what about a Springer would make their cables not work? The statement I got from them was that the fitment issue came in regards to the brake line.
Quote from Burly customer service: "The reason is because the caliber is located on the opposite side of a non springer model."
What...?
Correct me if I am wrong here...
I think they meant to say caliper. Which as far as I know, is on the same side of my front wheel (Left) as it is on any other Softail such as the Heritage Softail, Deluxe, etc...
So what am I (or Burly) are we missing here?
I know some earlier model H-D Springers have the caliper on the right side but the kit I am looking at is for Softails which all have the caliper on the left which is what my Springer has.
Anyway...
Is anyone out there running Burly cables on their Springer? Maybe there is something else that I am missing here...? Hard for me to imagine what that might be...
Thanks,
Skeez
I am getting ready to try some new bars on my Softail and decided to go with less expensive cables given that in the near future, I may want to go with an internal throttle and jockey shift and so don't want to sink too much money in to cables that I may be getting rid of half a season later.
(Please; no lectures on what I should or shouldn't do as that is not the info I am looking for here.)
I've decided to go with Burly as they are the most reasonable and it's for a complete system including wire extensions. I've even come across a used set making them even less expensive!
I noticed on their site that they don't list Springers as a model that their products fit. I emailed them and sure enough, they replied saying their kits won't work with Springers. I was confused wondering what about a Springer would make their cables not work? The statement I got from them was that the fitment issue came in regards to the brake line.
Quote from Burly customer service: "The reason is because the caliber is located on the opposite side of a non springer model."
What...?
Correct me if I am wrong here...
I think they meant to say caliper. Which as far as I know, is on the same side of my front wheel (Left) as it is on any other Softail such as the Heritage Softail, Deluxe, etc...
So what am I (or Burly) are we missing here?
I know some earlier model H-D Springers have the caliper on the right side but the kit I am looking at is for Softails which all have the caliper on the left which is what my Springer has.
Anyway...
Is anyone out there running Burly cables on their Springer? Maybe there is something else that I am missing here...? Hard for me to imagine what that might be...
Thanks,
Skeez
Last edited by Skeezmachine; Dec 2, 2014 at 03:43 PM.
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It all depends on which model springer. The Heritage Springer has the caliper and rotor on the left side while the Softail springer has the rotor and caliper on the right side. I assume you have the Heritage Springer from what you have described. Left and right right always determined as if you are sitting on the bike.
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It all depends on which model springer. The Heritage Springer has the caliper and rotor on the left side while the Softail springer has the rotor and caliper on the right side. I assume you have the Heritage Springer from what you have described. Left and right right always determined as if you are sitting on the bike.
As mentioned, I have an FL style Springer so mine is on the left. Relative to other NON-springer models this means my caliper is on the same side of the wheel. So why the heck would the brake line not fit?
The only other thing I can think of that they might mean is that on a non springer, the caliper is mounted to the rear side of the left fork while on a Springer it is mounted to the front of it. However, I don't really see how this could cause an issue in length.
Anyway...hopefully someone with a Springer and running these cables will chime in.
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Skeez - what size bars and risers are you installing? I have some measurements that I've used in the past that could offer a good starting point.
You are correct though - FL springers (fat tire) are left side brakes, and FX springers (skinny tire) are right side brakes. The only exception I'm aware of is the 2009 FXSTSSE3 (CVO Softail Springer), which was both a fat tire and left side brake, despite being an FX springer.
Regardless, there is nothing special about springers that should exclude them from fitment. Worst case, you could order the brake line separate.
You are correct though - FL springers (fat tire) are left side brakes, and FX springers (skinny tire) are right side brakes. The only exception I'm aware of is the 2009 FXSTSSE3 (CVO Softail Springer), which was both a fat tire and left side brake, despite being an FX springer.
Regardless, there is nothing special about springers that should exclude them from fitment. Worst case, you could order the brake line separate.
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Skeez - what size bars and risers are you installing? I have some measurements that I've used in the past that could offer a good starting point.
You are correct though - FL springers (fat tire) are left side brakes, and FX springers (skinny tire) are right side brakes. The only exception I'm aware of is the 2009 FXSTSSE3 (CVO Softail Springer), which was both a fat tire and left side brake, despite being an FX springer.
Regardless, there is nothing special about springers that should exclude them from fitment. Worst case, you could order the brake line separate.
You are correct though - FL springers (fat tire) are left side brakes, and FX springers (skinny tire) are right side brakes. The only exception I'm aware of is the 2009 FXSTSSE3 (CVO Softail Springer), which was both a fat tire and left side brake, despite being an FX springer.
Regardless, there is nothing special about springers that should exclude them from fitment. Worst case, you could order the brake line separate.
I want to install 14 inch Wild One Outlawz on stock 2 inch risers. I chose the Outlawz because they are much narrower than most springer bars due to the angled design at the base of the bars while still being curved at the top.
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Let me get my measurements from my notes - I think you could easily take the same measurements I have, subtract 2 inches, and be all set. The other thing to consider is that caliper end is a 90* banjo fitting, since as you mentioned the caliper is mounted in front of the fork, as opposed to behind it.
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This is the line I bought for my front brake from Magnum. It's a Black Pearl finish.
52" BP E-Z Align Single Front Brake 35° 7/16"
The E-Z Align allows the banjo fitting on the caliper end (90*) to rotate as needed to compensate for any twists in the line once both ends are attached.
The MC end should be a 35* banjo fitting.
Based on our individual details, I'd think you'd be all set with a 50" line.
52" BP E-Z Align Single Front Brake 35° 7/16"
The E-Z Align allows the banjo fitting on the caliper end (90*) to rotate as needed to compensate for any twists in the line once both ends are attached.
The MC end should be a 35* banjo fitting.
Based on our individual details, I'd think you'd be all set with a 50" line.
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The forum is being wonky, so I can't edit my posts.
I have one other detail for you to consider.
I replaced my top tree plate with an adapter plate that will allow me to run regular risers, which I think are on a 3.5" or 4" spread. If you're running springer risers, your bars will be a touch wider, as I think the spread on springer risers is 6".
Just figured I'd mention that detail.
I have one other detail for you to consider.
I replaced my top tree plate with an adapter plate that will allow me to run regular risers, which I think are on a 3.5" or 4" spread. If you're running springer risers, your bars will be a touch wider, as I think the spread on springer risers is 6".
Just figured I'd mention that detail.
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Again, thanks for all the info.
Yes. I have a stock springer top tree and risers which are 5 inches apart versus the 3.5 of non springers. I too wanted 16" bars and in fact have a set of Wild One 16" springer bars that I bought some time ago from a forum member but never used because I could not get used to how wide they are. Like settled on the Outlawz because they are much narrower but as you probably know, they aren't available in 16. I'm also not too crazy about the angles at the bottom and prefer curves but I guess it's a necessary design in order to make them as narrow as they are. I measured them up to the 16 and the difference is a good 4 inches.
I too thought about going with the adaptor too tree but it just wasn't in my budget so the Outlawz were a good compromise. The more I think about it and my bike comes together the more appropriate I feel the 14s are to the look of my ride. One other set back to Wild One in general is their lack of gloss black option. As such my outlawz are at the coater right now along with a multitude of other parts. I took a page from your book and filed away all the casting marks on my clutch perch and brake reservoir!
The kit I going to try is being sold by a forum member who ran it on a Night Train with 14 bars. He claims that the brake line was a tad long for his application. He stated he length of the line is 54 which is obviously much longer than you estimate I may need. We'll see how it goes. He letting me have the kit for $50 bucks so if it doesn't work out then it won't be too big of a loss.
Yes. I have a stock springer top tree and risers which are 5 inches apart versus the 3.5 of non springers. I too wanted 16" bars and in fact have a set of Wild One 16" springer bars that I bought some time ago from a forum member but never used because I could not get used to how wide they are. Like settled on the Outlawz because they are much narrower but as you probably know, they aren't available in 16. I'm also not too crazy about the angles at the bottom and prefer curves but I guess it's a necessary design in order to make them as narrow as they are. I measured them up to the 16 and the difference is a good 4 inches.
I too thought about going with the adaptor too tree but it just wasn't in my budget so the Outlawz were a good compromise. The more I think about it and my bike comes together the more appropriate I feel the 14s are to the look of my ride. One other set back to Wild One in general is their lack of gloss black option. As such my outlawz are at the coater right now along with a multitude of other parts. I took a page from your book and filed away all the casting marks on my clutch perch and brake reservoir!
The kit I going to try is being sold by a forum member who ran it on a Night Train with 14 bars. He claims that the brake line was a tad long for his application. He stated he length of the line is 54 which is obviously much longer than you estimate I may need. We'll see how it goes. He letting me have the kit for $50 bucks so if it doesn't work out then it won't be too big of a loss.
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