Installed the Thundermax w/ auto tuner..
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ORIGINAL: ICEMANNN
My clock and trip counter does not work anymore and i cant have any fixed from ZIPPER and they know my problem for 5 WEEKS ... bad customer service 
I have call them and send email MANY times ...
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But I am curious about howmuch did it did cost andand whereyou got yours from. And if it will run all the standard systems, like the 6th gear indicator, security system, speedo, and clock functions.
But I am curious about howmuch did it did cost andand whereyou got yours from. And if it will run all the standard systems, like the 6th gear indicator, security system, speedo, and clock functions.
I have call them and send email MANY times ...
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RE: Installed the Thundermax w/ auto tuner..
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Thanks for the info Badpig. My mechanic friend is friends with Keith Hines and this is kind of a test he is doing with 3 bikes. I got the Fuel Pak at cost and he is putting it in free and seeing how it runs. Most here with the Fuel Pak say their bikes run great. Are you sure you installed it right? I figure for only $180 it wouldn't hurt to try. Hell my bike runs fine without any fuel management right now. I have a buddy that put all new exhaust pipes on his 2004 Fat Boy 3 years ago with no fuel management and his runs fine too.
Thanks for the info Badpig. My mechanic friend is friends with Keith Hines and this is kind of a test he is doing with 3 bikes. I got the Fuel Pak at cost and he is putting it in free and seeing how it runs. Most here with the Fuel Pak say their bikes run great. Are you sure you installed it right? I figure for only $180 it wouldn't hurt to try. Hell my bike runs fine without any fuel management right now. I have a buddy that put all new exhaust pipes on his 2004 Fat Boy 3 years ago with no fuel management and his runs fine too.
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Well, when he first did my Big Radius pipes he said to try running it for 50 miles to see if the spark plugs were okay and make sure it didn't run to lean and hot. Seemed to run okay. He checked the plugs and said they were borderline but would be okay. He talked to Keith Hines and Keith said to pick out 3 bikes to do a test on and that would prove the bikes would run cooler and not lean. V&H is picking up all the labor to install (which isn't much). Marty(my mechanic friend) is a licensed Harley mechanic and should be able to tell if the Fuel Pak is worth it or not. I was really gung ho about the Thundermax myself. But if the Fuel Pak works I gotta go with it.
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RE: Installed the Thundermax w/ auto tuner..
ORIGINAL: drrandall1
Well, when he first did my Big Radius pipes he said to try running it for 50 miles to see if the spark plugs were okay and make sure it didn't run to lean and hot. Seemed to run okay. He checked the plugs and said they were borderline but would be okay. He talked to Keith Hines and Keith said to pick out 3 bikes to do a test on and that would prove the bikes would run cooler and not lean. V&H is picking up all the labor to install (which isn't much). Marty(my mechanic friend) is a licensed Harley mechanic and should be able to tell if the Fuel Pak is worth it or not. I was really gung ho about the Thundermax myself. But if the Fuel Pak works I gotta go with it.
Well, when he first did my Big Radius pipes he said to try running it for 50 miles to see if the spark plugs were okay and make sure it didn't run to lean and hot. Seemed to run okay. He checked the plugs and said they were borderline but would be okay. He talked to Keith Hines and Keith said to pick out 3 bikes to do a test on and that would prove the bikes would run cooler and not lean. V&H is picking up all the labor to install (which isn't much). Marty(my mechanic friend) is a licensed Harley mechanic and should be able to tell if the Fuel Pak is worth it or not. I was really gung ho about the Thundermax myself. But if the Fuel Pak works I gotta go with it.
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RE: Installed the Thundermax w/ auto tuner..
ORIGINAL: rbabos
Looked at the tmax, but you mentioned the price. WTF. That's like 1000 bucks in Canada to add a few drops of gas in the right places. What am I missing here. Sure my March build FXSTC could be richer in a few rpms ranges but there has to be a better way to go about it. Why has nobody come up with new maps for the existing ecms? The original could be saved if needed . Lots of geeks out there that have the know how. Passwords be damned.
Ron
Looked at the tmax, but you mentioned the price. WTF. That's like 1000 bucks in Canada to add a few drops of gas in the right places. What am I missing here. Sure my March build FXSTC could be richer in a few rpms ranges but there has to be a better way to go about it. Why has nobody come up with new maps for the existing ecms? The original could be saved if needed . Lots of geeks out there that have the know how. Passwords be damned.
Ron
I looked into 'saving' the stock map for later, but the interface in the ECM is basically a one way device. It has no real provision for transmitting or reading info out other than the standard error codes.
It can accept new MAPS, but the rub here is that you need to use a SERT or a much bigger (and more expensive) dealer only computer system to interface with the ECM and send it data (MAP's) in a protocol that it can deal with.
All of the research I have done so far suggests that there areno passwords as such to deal with. The 'problem' isthat the limited computer power of the ECM requires that you use a specificcommunications protocol and command code setto access the ECM's permenent memory directly to store MAP's for later use.
I have no doubt that given the time and resources, some hacker 'could' use brut force to get into the 'system'. But I doubt the effort would be worth the cost in time and money it would take to do it.
However that being said I have been trying (not too hard) to find out if there are any open sources avalable where I can get hold of a copy of the command codes, port pinouts,and programing languageused in the HD (Delphi) ECM's. I personally don't have the talent to hack the system directly, but I have enough knowledge and experience in communications code protocols to figure it out if might bepossible todirectly access the ECM's internal MAP programing using a laptop or desktop system to 'pretend' to be a SERT or dealer system.
Desktop systems have beenroutinely used to 'drive' otherkinds of machinesfor a long time now using the common interfaces (RS-232, SCSI, Centronics printer, & USBports) in them. So I want to find out if its possible to write or adapt a commumications program that will allow you to use a simpleadaptor cable from the ECM's port toeither theRS-232 communications port or the Centronics printer port on a laptop or desktop systemto drive theDelphi interface directly.
Granted that you would still need to get a copy of the SERT program CD to actually do it. But that is open sourced, eveyone get's a copy of it with a SERT, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you can get bootlegged copys from somebody, probably on evil-bay. So that part shouldn't be too hard to get. Its the other parts that are hard to figure out.
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ORIGINAL: Citoriplus
Ron,
I looked into 'saving' the stock map for later, but the interface in the ECM is basically a one way device. It has no real provision for transmitting or reading info out other than the standard error codes.
It can accept new MAPS, but the rub here is that you need to use a SERT or a much bigger (and more expensive) dealer only computer system to interface with the ECM and send it data (MAP's) in a protocol that it can deal with.
All of the research I have done so far suggests that there areno passwords as such to deal with. The 'problem' isthat the limited computer power of the ECM requires that you use a specificcommunications protocol and command code setto access the ECM's permenent memory directly to store MAP's for later use.
I have no doubt that given the time and resources, some hacker 'could' use brut force to get into the 'system'. But I doubt the effort would be worth the cost in time and money it would take to do it.
However that being said I have been trying (not too hard) to find out if there are any open sources avalable where I can get hold of a copy of the command codes, port pinouts,and programing languageused in the HD (Delphi) ECM's. I personally don't have the talent to hack the system directly, but I have enough knowledge and experience in communications code protocols to figure it out if might bepossible todirectly access the ECM's internal MAP programing using a laptop or desktop system to 'pretend' to be a SERT or dealer system.
Desktop systems have beenroutinely used to 'drive' otherkinds of machinesfor a long time now using the common interfaces (RS-232, SCSI, Centronics printer, & USBports) in them. So I want to find out if its possible to write or adapt a commumications program that will allow you to use a simpleadaptor cable from the ECM's port toeither theRS-232 communications port or the Centronics printer port on a laptop or desktop systemto drive theDelphi interface directly.
Granted that you would still need to get a copy of the SERT program CD to actually do it. But that is open sourced, eveyone get's a copy of it with a SERT, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you can get bootlegged copys from somebody, probably on evil-bay. So that part shouldn't be too hard to get. Its the other parts that are hard to figure out.
Frank
ORIGINAL: rbabos
Looked at the tmax, but you mentioned the price. WTF. That's like 1000 bucks in Canada to add a few drops of gas in the right places. What am I missing here. Sure my March build FXSTC could be richer in a few rpms ranges but there has to be a better way to go about it. Why has nobody come up with new maps for the existing ecms? The original could be saved if needed . Lots of geeks out there that have the know how. Passwords be damned.
Ron
Looked at the tmax, but you mentioned the price. WTF. That's like 1000 bucks in Canada to add a few drops of gas in the right places. What am I missing here. Sure my March build FXSTC could be richer in a few rpms ranges but there has to be a better way to go about it. Why has nobody come up with new maps for the existing ecms? The original could be saved if needed . Lots of geeks out there that have the know how. Passwords be damned.
Ron
I looked into 'saving' the stock map for later, but the interface in the ECM is basically a one way device. It has no real provision for transmitting or reading info out other than the standard error codes.
It can accept new MAPS, but the rub here is that you need to use a SERT or a much bigger (and more expensive) dealer only computer system to interface with the ECM and send it data (MAP's) in a protocol that it can deal with.
All of the research I have done so far suggests that there areno passwords as such to deal with. The 'problem' isthat the limited computer power of the ECM requires that you use a specificcommunications protocol and command code setto access the ECM's permenent memory directly to store MAP's for later use.
I have no doubt that given the time and resources, some hacker 'could' use brut force to get into the 'system'. But I doubt the effort would be worth the cost in time and money it would take to do it.
However that being said I have been trying (not too hard) to find out if there are any open sources avalable where I can get hold of a copy of the command codes, port pinouts,and programing languageused in the HD (Delphi) ECM's. I personally don't have the talent to hack the system directly, but I have enough knowledge and experience in communications code protocols to figure it out if might bepossible todirectly access the ECM's internal MAP programing using a laptop or desktop system to 'pretend' to be a SERT or dealer system.
Desktop systems have beenroutinely used to 'drive' otherkinds of machinesfor a long time now using the common interfaces (RS-232, SCSI, Centronics printer, & USBports) in them. So I want to find out if its possible to write or adapt a commumications program that will allow you to use a simpleadaptor cable from the ECM's port toeither theRS-232 communications port or the Centronics printer port on a laptop or desktop systemto drive theDelphi interface directly.
Granted that you would still need to get a copy of the SERT program CD to actually do it. But that is open sourced, eveyone get's a copy of it with a SERT, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you can get bootlegged copys from somebody, probably on evil-bay. So that part shouldn't be too hard to get. Its the other parts that are hard to figure out.
Frank
Wow. What ever happened to just being able to ride a bike. Please make my Fuel Pak work and keep the computer geeks away.
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