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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 07:58 AM
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yeah, really nice. hopefully no issues
ride safe!
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 08:53 AM
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Looks awesome, I had a BDL on my chopper, I miss the whine. I've thought about one for the FLSTC, but don't think it would go with the theme.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 08:54 AM
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Other than asthetics, are there any mechanical, or reliability benefits gained from going to a belt drive?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by xwhyz1959
Other than asthetics, are there any mechanical, or reliability benefits gained from going to a belt drive?
Belts do not stretch, no tensioner to wear out, no oil to deal with. slightly more left side ground clearance on cornering.
But they can be noisy vs an enclosed primary, bearings are more exposed to elements, jeans or boot laces can get caught in belt.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LA_Dog
^^ Yeh you have two things going on here:

1. you changed your primary so the different ratio here will affect the gear indicator, 6th light
2. you changed your secondary from belt to chain, and this would affect your speedometer and mileage reading.

For #2 the fix is easy with a powervision or TTS, and updating the 'speedometer correction' pulse per km value. you would figure out the ratio difference from stock in percentage, then add or subtract that percentage to the stock pulse per km value. I don;t know if the fp3 can do this. I can help you get the correct value if you can get a tuner with editing capabilities. I think you may be getting beyond the fp3's capabilities with your mods.

for #1, you may need something like the PV or TTS so you can edit the actual 1st-6th gear ratios. I know that baker has decent tech guidance on fixing this but not sure about BDL. i'm afriad this area is not one I'm familiar with but I have seen it posted a lot that changing the primary to belt drive will f-up the indicators, 6th light, and cruise control. it may also affect abs operation. you may want to post for some help on HTT forum as well.
So then obviously I will first need a tuner.I was kinda looking for something I could use w/o a laptop,since I do not have one.This was why I was thinking FP3 on the phone.
1-On the primary change,your thinking the ratio on the belt is different than stock?I'm guessing the first 3 gears are low enough to not make enough difference?
2-On the secondary end,would this be controlled by a different speed sensor?I thought the 24/51 ratio was pretty close to stock(unfortunately)?
I'm familiar with the PV as a Powervision tuner,not sure what a TTS is?
I'm going to AZ Bike week next week,maybe I can find some reps there to help a brutha out.I can see already my work here is not done.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 10:43 AM
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Cool!
 
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Old Apr 3, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocker B
I'm about to install a BDL belt drive on my Rocker, and was told that it wouldn't affect the 6th gear light on my stock speedo...and yes, the FP3 does have a "Speedometer Calibration" feature, in the edit maps "General" section. It might fix the problem. BDL also told me that gearing changes to the ecm wont be necessary after install..also are you installing a belt guard and front covers on yours?? or did you order without?? I ordered the 2" polished model.
This is good to hear about the FP3,I'm wondering if it can resolve both issues I'm having as Dog stated.Nonetheless,a tuner seems to be in my near future.As for what BDL told you about calibrations,all I know is what I'm dealing with now.Bear in mind that I also changed the final drive,which may be some of my issue.I do know they were very helpful when I called with a few ?? On the install even though I didn't buy it directly from them.
As for the guards,I got the polished also,but am running it open for now until I can decide what to use for the guard.Not really a fan of covering the pulleys.Liking the open "hot rod" look.

Originally Posted by HoggyMtnBreakdown
That looks SICK and totally old school! I like the simplicity and "naked" look of it, rather than all the covers and other doo-dads you see on so many aftermarket open primarys these days...
Thanks much Hoggy.Definitely like the "naked" look better,despite the obvious risk.May try to make some sort of simple guard to fill the center later,but leaving the pulleys exposed.

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Looks great on there, nice job.
Thanks man.

Originally Posted by splattttttt
yeah, really nice. hopefully no issues
ride safe!
I hear ya splattt,hopefully not TOO much pant shredding.Thanks dude.
Originally Posted by Katienadine
Looks awesome, I had a BDL on my chopper, I miss the whine. I've thought about one for the FLSTC, but don't think it would go with the theme.
Thank you Katie.Definitely sounds different....but good.Will take a little getting used to.I agree it probably wouldn't "blend" with your scoot now.

Originally Posted by xwhyz1959
Other than asthetics, are there any mechanical, or reliability benefits gained from going to a belt drive?
Looks like Dog pretty well summed this one up for ya.

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Cool!
Thanks dude!
 

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Old Apr 4, 2016 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Daddy454
I'm not sure what you mean about reversing the stator seal.Hopefully that's not something I'll have to deal with.Not looking forward to pulling this back off anytime soon.Thanks Furry.
Ummm,...both BDL and Primo tell you to remove the oil seal in the stator and reverse it before installing the new inner primary housing. It's the seal shown in the attached photo. If you don't reverse it there's a good chance you'll start leaking oil from the engine into the open primary.

Originally Posted by Daddy454
1-On the primary change,your thinking the ratio on the belt is different than stock?I'm guessing the first 3 gears are low enough to not make enough difference?
The BDL belt changes the primary ratio from the stock 1.35:1 to 1.32:1 - not so much of a change to affect the gear lights (My Primo changed it to 1.55:1, which caused it to not show 1-3, and 4=5th, & 5=6th)

BTW, even with my large change in primary ratio my speedo is dead on.

Originally Posted by LA_Dog
Belts do not stretch, no tensioner to wear out, no oil to deal with. slightly more left side ground clearance on cornering.
But they can be noisy vs an enclosed primary, bearings are more exposed to elements, jeans or boot laces can get caught in belt.
The first thing people always say is "Isn't that dangerous?" - and I have the full guard on my Primo Brute IV.

As for leaving all the guards off... You'll find out how much a new belt costs if a stone pops in there - it can blow the belt right off, or in the case of the BDL's aluminum gears - chew up the gear.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2016 | 03:01 AM
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does a cover have to be brand specific, or is it a universal item?
 
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Old Apr 5, 2016 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by splattttttt
does a cover have to be brand specific, or is it a universal item?
BDL & Primo have different mounting positions for their covers, but I don't see why you couldn't adapt them. It might involve a bit of drilling & tapping. BDL looks to use a 2-post system for theirs, while Primo uses 4-posts.
 
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