2018 Heritage 107 Stage 1?
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TTS has a couple of maps listed already.From what I have found out you can use TTS and put stock tune back in and Harley cant detect it.I am getting ready to load it in my new 114 Fatboy if it ever comes in.
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I would be curious to see what exactly is different in these canned maps as compared to the stock map. Especially since this thread is talking about the M8's and apparently getting tune files from HD.
I'd be curious to know what folks are trying to accomplish here and what they think they are accomplishing...
Also... as far as voiding the warranty... If memory serves, from the content on this forum, they can, will, and have been voiding the entire warranty if you mess (mess as in upgrading with stuff not from Harley or Harley approved) with any emission components on the bike.
I'd be curious to know what folks are trying to accomplish here and what they think they are accomplishing...
Also... as far as voiding the warranty... If memory serves, from the content on this forum, they can, will, and have been voiding the entire warranty if you mess (mess as in upgrading with stuff not from Harley or Harley approved) with any emission components on the bike.
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I would be curious to see what exactly is different in these canned maps as compared to the stock map. Especially since this thread is talking about the M8's and apparently getting tune files from HD.
I'd be curious to know what folks are trying to accomplish here and what they think they are accomplishing...
Also... as far as voiding the warranty... If memory serves, from the content on this forum, they can, will, and have been voiding the entire warranty if you mess (mess as in upgrading with stuff not from Harley or Harley approved) with any emission components on the bike.
I'd be curious to know what folks are trying to accomplish here and what they think they are accomplishing...
Also... as far as voiding the warranty... If memory serves, from the content on this forum, they can, will, and have been voiding the entire warranty if you mess (mess as in upgrading with stuff not from Harley or Harley approved) with any emission components on the bike.
Additionally the tuner allows other features to be user adjusted such tbw response, idle speed, limiter...
Some of course are going Stage 2 or higher with warranty too within the 60 days window of purchase.
It's not the most bang for your buck, but its bonus fun with no consequences in my book.
Last edited by Thingfish; Oct 11, 2017 at 07:38 PM.
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sounds like a marketing BS thing. There is laws against that type of action by MOCO. Law requires them to prove the part you installed caused the failure in order for them to not do the warranty claim. Obviously they wont cover the after market part if that part is what failed. I think people get confused regarding the stuff. The law I am referring to is Magnusson Moss Warranty act. So yes, MOCO wont cover a replacement engine, if they can prove the tuner you installed fried the motor, or replace the trans for broken gears if you were waking 180 hp. You then exceeded the rated specifications, but one can make a very good argument. No where does the law state anything about emission systems.
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It's a good question. I'm curious too. For my part I know the approved tuner and maps are severely limited, but apparently they allow me to get a little more sound and little more response from a great running bike while keeping the warranty fully intact. For now I'll take it. HD's aftermarket lockout will only hold as long as the warranty is an issue....after that the tuning gods will have their way.
Additionally the tuner allows other features to be user adjusted such tbw response, idle speed, limiter...
Some of course are going Stage 2 or higher with warranty too within the 60 days window of purchase.
It's not the most bang for your buck, but its bonus fun with no consequences in my book.
Additionally the tuner allows other features to be user adjusted such tbw response, idle speed, limiter...
Some of course are going Stage 2 or higher with warranty too within the 60 days window of purchase.
It's not the most bang for your buck, but its bonus fun with no consequences in my book.
I wouldn't be surprised that what HD is selling and giving you isn't much in this regard. They can't sell or do anything that is going to make the bike violate the EPA requirements. It seems that the idea of a "tune" and maintaining the EPA requirements would likely be a contradiction. Being able to tweak idle speed, speed limiter, etc. doesn't seem like much of a bargain for the cost.
In a similar vein, I wonder how many think that buying a tuner, hooking it up, and doing an "Auto Tune" is actually "tuning" their bike? Or do they know (or are even curious about) what they are - and are not - really accomplishing/getting when they download a canned map and flash it to their ECM's?
Last edited by T^2; Oct 11, 2017 at 08:23 PM.
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sounds like a marketing BS thing. There is laws against that type of action by MOCO. Law requires them to prove the part you installed caused the failure in order for them to not do the warranty claim. Obviously they wont cover the after market part if that part is what failed. I think people get confused regarding the stuff. The law I am referring to is Magnusson Moss Warranty act. So yes, MOCO wont cover a replacement engine, if they can prove the tuner you installed fried the motor, or replace the trans for broken gears if you were waking 180 hp. You then exceeded the rated specifications, but one can make a very good argument. No where does the law state anything about emission systems.
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sounds like a marketing BS thing. There is laws against that type of action by MOCO. Law requires them to prove the part you installed caused the failure in order for them to not do the warranty claim. Obviously they wont cover the after market part if that part is what failed. I think people get confused regarding the stuff. The law I am referring to is Magnusson Moss Warranty act. So yes, MOCO wont cover a replacement engine, if they can prove the tuner you installed fried the motor, or replace the trans for broken gears if you were waking 180 hp. You then exceeded the rated specifications, but one can make a very good argument. No where does the law state anything about emission systems.
Moco seems to have worked hard to help the '17 guys with problems. But they've also denied claims that broke the rules.
I'm usually not a warranty nanny, but in this case I'm taking the trouble free method for now.
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This has all been discussed at length. Currently thread running in the M8 section that's up to 100 pages maybe. The consensus is Magnusson Moss is great but not fool proof here. Moco can void for any reason. You want to fight and go to court, that's great if have the money and time to spend. Even if you win you could be on the hook for a $10,000 fine for knowingly tampering with EPA approved standards. If your dealer is 100% on your side maybe they'll help, but the Moco is auditing the work so there's not a lot of push back.
Moco seems to have worked hard to help the '17 guys with problems. But they've also denied claims that broke the rules.
I'm usually not a warranty nanny, but in this case I'm taking the trouble free method for now.
Moco seems to have worked hard to help the '17 guys with problems. But they've also denied claims that broke the rules.
I'm usually not a warranty nanny, but in this case I'm taking the trouble free method for now.
Last edited by Toner123; Oct 11, 2017 at 08:42 PM.
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I can imagine that the aftermarket will come out with EPA compliant slip ons and exhaust systems. I know V&H already has. Don't know what HD's policy will be on that. If you are itching to at least improve the sound, then SE parts - and perhaps EPA compliant aftermarket options - may be the only alternative if you want to maintain the warranty. Just adding slip ons etc... likely doesn't require a new tune.
I imagine that even with the tunes that come with the stage II - IV's done by the dealer - and maintain the warranty - are EPA compliant tunes. So again in terms of "tuning" there would seem to be some conflict/contradiction.
I imagine that even with the tunes that come with the stage II - IV's done by the dealer - and maintain the warranty - are EPA compliant tunes. So again in terms of "tuning" there would seem to be some conflict/contradiction.