2018 Heritage 107 Stage 1?
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Sorry, that thread is a slog. The warranty language is covered pretty well and the fact the Moco is on the financial hook to enforce (as well as marketing motivations) spells a lot more trouble for claims that involve non-compliant set ups than years prior. If your bike is pre-17 it seems it doesn't fall under the EPA fine aspect. Either way, most M8 owners have either come to grips with protecting their warranty for a change, or modding the way they'd like but realizing there's a good chance they'll be voiding their warranty. We can theorize and talk Mag-Moss etc. but the line has been drawn. Finding out what that line means in reality may be frustrating and expensive.
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Sorry, that thread is a slog. The warranty language is covered pretty well and the fact the Moco is on the financial hook to enforce (as well as marketing motivations) spells a lot more trouble for claims that involve non-compliant set ups than years prior. If your bike is pre-17 it seems it doesn't fall under the EPA fine aspect. Either way, most M8 owners have either come to grips with protecting their warranty for a change, or modding the way they'd like but realizing there's a good chance they'll be voiding their warranty. We can theorize and talk Mag-Moss etc. but the line has been drawn. Finding out what that line means in reality may be frustrating and expensive.
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From: New Mexico
What are you kidding????
HD did not lay down and let the EPA roll over them. They got fined Big Time, just as VW did.
HD is under serious scrutiny from the Feds to comply or be fined out of existence. HD is well known in the Industry as being one of the most modified motorized vehicles out there with out paying attention to any Gov Regs at all.
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From: Alton Bay, New Hampshire
In regards to the Street Tuner software. My Dealer just got back to me after talking with his MoCo Tech support. The Nomenclature listing the 2018 Softails as Twin Cooled is a MISPRINT. this is to be rectified @ the next update. (not known when)
I'm waiting on a Service Manual and seeing what the Aftermarket comes up with for exhausts, as I can't get a listen to the Street Cannons for the Low Rider. I just have a hard time paying $550 for a set of Slipons. They do make a nice Extreme Flow air cleaner PN# 29400357 but the Cover for it is not available #61300845 and it's not chrome. The Ventilator kit is nice, but I want to see as much of my Jugs as I can. (Hate hiding such well endowed jugs).
As a side note: I know there is some aftermarket stuff out there. My 17 RK cooked twice, the first time @ 2500 miles and needed an entire Stage 3 rebuild, then 900 miles later it did again and needed an entire new engine. If it had not had All Screaming Eagle parts I would have been screwed, as it all happened on my way to Florida from New Hampshire. I think the MoCo Has pretty much put a lock on it's Exhausts and Intakes as well as any engine related component after the EPA Lawsuit. In a way it's smart marketing to ward off the aftermarket from their accessories profits.
I'm waiting on a Service Manual and seeing what the Aftermarket comes up with for exhausts, as I can't get a listen to the Street Cannons for the Low Rider. I just have a hard time paying $550 for a set of Slipons. They do make a nice Extreme Flow air cleaner PN# 29400357 but the Cover for it is not available #61300845 and it's not chrome. The Ventilator kit is nice, but I want to see as much of my Jugs as I can. (Hate hiding such well endowed jugs).
As a side note: I know there is some aftermarket stuff out there. My 17 RK cooked twice, the first time @ 2500 miles and needed an entire Stage 3 rebuild, then 900 miles later it did again and needed an entire new engine. If it had not had All Screaming Eagle parts I would have been screwed, as it all happened on my way to Florida from New Hampshire. I think the MoCo Has pretty much put a lock on it's Exhausts and Intakes as well as any engine related component after the EPA Lawsuit. In a way it's smart marketing to ward off the aftermarket from their accessories profits.
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From: va
What are you kidding????
HD did not lay down and let the EPA roll over them. They got fined Big Time, just as VW did.
HD is under serious scrutiny from the Feds to comply or be fined out of existence. HD is well known in the Industry as being one of the most modified motorized vehicles out there with out paying attention to any Gov Regs at all.
HD did not lay down and let the EPA roll over them. They got fined Big Time, just as VW did.
HD is under serious scrutiny from the Feds to comply or be fined out of existence. HD is well known in the Industry as being one of the most modified motorized vehicles out there with out paying attention to any Gov Regs at all.
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From: Alton Bay, New Hampshire
Government begets More Government, Some Ahole at the EPA just wanted to make a name for himself. I just got back from a short ride for lunch, got behind a Tour Bus, I look like a frig'n Racoon from the soot ! Read your post, that Bus is throwing our more junk than all the motorcycles in the state. Going to go use my 2-stoke chain saw and cut up some non EPA firewood.
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From: Alabama
Government begets More Government, Some Ahole at the EPA just wanted to make a name for himself. I just got back from a short ride for lunch, got behind a Tour Bus, I look like a frig'n Racoon from the soot ! Read your post, that Bus is throwing our more junk than all the motorcycles in the state. Going to go use my 2-stoke chain saw and cut up some non EPA firewood.
EPA was one of the primary slush fund generating agencies under Obama. Target victim corporation, fine them, give the money to a leftist NGO.
http://www.aei.org/publication/how-j...as-slush-fund/
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/harl...act-settlement
Somebody's butt-buddy at the EPA made a nice $3 mil off of it.
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Sorry, that thread is a slog. The warranty language is covered pretty well and the fact the Moco is on the financial hook to enforce (as well as marketing motivations) spells a lot more trouble for claims that involve non-compliant set ups than years prior. If your bike is pre-17 it seems it doesn't fall under the EPA fine aspect. Either way, most M8 owners have either come to grips with protecting their warranty for a change, or modding the way they'd like but realizing there's a good chance they'll be voiding their warranty. We can theorize and talk Mag-Moss etc. but the line has been drawn. Finding out what that line means in reality may be frustrating and expensive.
Since the day after the Consent Decree was signed I have stated that it (the Consent Decree) is a violation of Federal Law, and it is in direct contradiction with the Written HD Warranty.
At some point, someone will call them on it in court and it will get straightened out.
In the meantime, do what is best for your bike, according to the HD Warranty (not the illegal Consent Decree). To avoid any hassles, put it back to stock if you need to do a warranty claim on the engine.
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Just had a friend's '15 Iron get torn down at 7,000 miles. Scorched pistons. 100% stock...too lean from the factory. Not ridden excessively hard. Warranty ESP is fixing...but damn. Really bothers me we are sold a tune that will self destruct the motor. It's one thing to mod for pleasure, but it's another to have to mod just for survivability...
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I agree...take care of the bike first. Not sure it's possible following within the letter of the warranty. Maybe the M8 won't have this same problem.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I agree...take care of the bike first. Not sure it's possible following within the letter of the warranty. Maybe the M8 won't have this same problem.
Last edited by Thingfish; Oct 12, 2017 at 02:28 PM.