2018 breakout 114 problems
Tourer
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From: Queen Creek, AZ
If Harley is anything like GM, the dealer will be directed by HD to download the data from the ECU and forward it to them for analysis. The dealer has no incentive to refuse a warranty claim and HD knows this. They make money either from you or HD. With GM the request is only issued if a motor or transmission fails. GM doesn't have the time to review all drive train warranty claims so they only review major failures. Since you may be experiencing sumping and since it is becoming a common issue with the M8, if you remove potential violations before going to the dealer for service, HD probably won't dig too deep if a claim becomes necessary. Especially if the dealer vouches for you.
I would get to the dealer asap and establish that you have a problem. That way, if you fry your motor, you are on record as having a known issue and a warranty claim should be successful. Good luck!
I would get to the dealer asap and establish that you have a problem. That way, if you fry your motor, you are on record as having a known issue and a warranty claim should be successful. Good luck!
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From: Texas
Based on the overt failures experienced here, I'm fairly certain the dealer will be referring this on to HD. Especially with this being a new softail with the M8 which they are still working the bugs out of. At the least, he needs to make everything bone-stock again to hopefully keep his warranty intact by making the dealer believe he did nothing to it. Doesn't sound like the most practical or realistic situation overall and for the engine to fail like this being "completely stock" is an even less realistic scenario. It will likely be referred on and they will find out about the FP3.
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From: Boston
I have my 2017 in the shop now for a warranty issue relating to the fuel pump. They know I have VH pipes, VH air cleaner, and FP3. No problem.
Last year I had an issue with the throttle getting stuck wide open (almost ****ing killed me on highway) and they fixed it under warranty no questions asked despite my FP3.
They will not cover problems that they can say were actually caused by the FP3, which is reasonable.
OP issue sounds mechanical...something in tranny or primary. Not something a tuner could possibly cause.
Based on the overt failures experienced here, I'm fairly certain the dealer will be referring this on to HD. Especially with this being a new softail with the M8 which they are still working the bugs out of. At the least, he needs to make everything bone-stock again to hopefully keep his warranty intact by making the dealer believe he did nothing to it. Doesn't sound like the most practical or realistic situation overall and for the engine to fail like this being "completely stock" is an even less realistic scenario. It will likely be referred on and they will find out about the FP3.
Ya.... ummm humm... Might want to do a little more study on the subject...
If that FP3 isn't enough the do the warranty in (which it is), that V&H pipe can certainly put the last nail in the coffin all by itself. But hey... I bet it sounded good for those 89 miles.
Good luck.
If that FP3 isn't enough the do the warranty in (which it is), that V&H pipe can certainly put the last nail in the coffin all by itself. But hey... I bet it sounded good for those 89 miles.
Good luck.
Spreading dumb made up misinformation is stupid.
Last edited by ChickinOnaChain; May 5, 2018 at 06:04 PM.
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Seriously, where do you come up with this ****? I have all that **** on my bike and haven't had my warranty voided. I'll post in here in the next couple days a $0 receipt for when I get my bike back with the fuel pump issue fixed.
Spreading dumb made up misinformation is stupid.
Spreading dumb made up misinformation is stupid.
With that in mind... I don't give a **** about your personal experience or whatever half *** anecdotal evidence you may have. None of it means a damn thing legally. Neither does what a dealer says. What matters legally is what's in that warranty contract between the end customer and Harley Davidson (has nothing to do with the dealer).
What any dealer does, or even what HD chooses to do, or not to do, or has done, or not done, in any particular case is immaterial. What HD can do - as spelled out in that warranty - should they chose to exercise any of their options in that contract is all that really matters - particularly to anyone that wants to keep the warranty coverage intact.
That warranty contract states - in no uncertain terms - that either of these items can void the warranty. Period. If you attempt to read the warranty, and your lack of reading comprehension prevents you from getting the picture, well that's on you.
When it comes to advising somebody about "Spreading dumb made up misinformation", I suggest you might want to go look into a mirror.
Last edited by T^2; May 2, 2018 at 11:28 AM.
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From: Texas
I wish people would stop saying this. I'm aware of the "Consent Decree", but I'm not actually aware of anyone having their warranty voided over a fuel pak. In fact when I was in the dealership yesterday dropping mine off, one of the service guys was on the phone suggesting to a customer to put a Power Commander of FP3 in their bike.....I can only assume the customer on the other end of the line was still under warranty because only a retard would get any work done on a vehicle at a dealership if they are outside of warranty period.
I have my 2017 in the shop now for a warranty issue relating to the fuel pump. They know I have VH pipes, VH air cleaner, and FP3. No problem.
Last year I had an issue with the throttle getting stuck wide open (almost ****ing killed me on highway) and they fixed it under warranty no questions asked despite my FP3.
They will not cover problems that they can say were actually caused by the FP3, which is reasonable.
OP issue sounds mechanical...something in tranny or primary. Not something a tuner could possibly cause.
I have my 2017 in the shop now for a warranty issue relating to the fuel pump. They know I have VH pipes, VH air cleaner, and FP3. No problem.
Last year I had an issue with the throttle getting stuck wide open (almost ****ing killed me on highway) and they fixed it under warranty no questions asked despite my FP3.
They will not cover problems that they can say were actually caused by the FP3, which is reasonable.
OP issue sounds mechanical...something in tranny or primary. Not something a tuner could possibly cause.
Second: the fact that they didn't invalidate your warranty because of a stuck throttle is clear. It isn't something that can be caused by changes to your ECM or by changing pipes.
But note Jessica Sinclair had an engine failure of even her pre-m8 breakout and Harley invalidated hers based on her "quiet baffles" (even though she told us she was also drag racing). This guy had an engine failure regardless of the technicality of what part of the engine (transmission, etc) it started. This is by all evidence a brand new bike with an engine that is new by harley standards. The moco as a whole would (or shoud) be super interested in this and figuring out why it happened. They also have broad latitude to make any statement they want on whether that component will or won't be negatively affected by a flashed ECM. Most people won't have the cash to lawyer up and fight it and certainly won't have the expertise to be able to refute their claims.
It all comes down to comfort. If you want to swap these parts on a new engine Harley, you should probably be comfortable with footing the bill for a new engine or making the repairs yourself and not be reliant on a warranty. If you aren't, then stick with the terms and don't be worried about how much you hate the pipe's look/sound of the bike you chose to spend up to $20,000 on.
Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Boston
Where do I get this information? Well... I can read. Can you? I've applied that skill set to the actual warranty contract. It's written in unambiguous English. You might want to try giving it a whirl.
With that in mind... I don't give a **** about your personal experience or whatever half *** anecdotal evidence you may have. None of it means a damn thing legally. Neither does what a dealer says. What matters legally is what's in that warranty contract between the end customer and Harley Davidson (has nothing to do with the dealer).
What any dealer does, or even what HD chooses to do, or not to do, or has done, or not done, in any particular case is immaterial. What HD can do - as spelled out in that warranty - should they chose to exercise any of their options in that contract is all that really matters - particularly to anyone that wants to keep the warranty coverage intact.
That warranty contract states - in no uncertain terms - that either of these items can void the warranty. Period. If you attempt to read the warranty, and your lack of reading comprehension prevents you from getting the picture, well that's on you.
When it comes to advising somebody about "Spreading dumb made up misinformation", I suggest you might want to go look into a mirror.
With that in mind... I don't give a **** about your personal experience or whatever half *** anecdotal evidence you may have. None of it means a damn thing legally. Neither does what a dealer says. What matters legally is what's in that warranty contract between the end customer and Harley Davidson (has nothing to do with the dealer).
What any dealer does, or even what HD chooses to do, or not to do, or has done, or not done, in any particular case is immaterial. What HD can do - as spelled out in that warranty - should they chose to exercise any of their options in that contract is all that really matters - particularly to anyone that wants to keep the warranty coverage intact.
That warranty contract states - in no uncertain terms - that either of these items can void the warranty. Period. If you attempt to read the warranty, and your lack of reading comprehension prevents you from getting the picture, well that's on you.
When it comes to advising somebody about "Spreading dumb made up misinformation", I suggest you might want to go look into a mirror.
But again, I'll post a pic later this week of my 0 bill and then you can STFU with your stupid bullshit.
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From: Maryland
cool story there Scooter. I ride with lots of people with 2017 or later bikes, modded, and no one I know has ever had their claim denied.....And yes I'm aware of what the warranty says as well as what the EPA settlement consent decree says. What actually matters is whether or not HD is actually putting it into practice...which they're not.
But again, I'll post a pic later this week of my 0 bill and then you can STFU with your stupid bullshit.
But again, I'll post a pic later this week of my 0 bill and then you can STFU with your stupid bullshit.
Last edited by ChickinOnaChain; May 5, 2018 at 06:04 PM.
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Should be careful here. Just for clarification... This statement might suggest that you are speaking of the protections afforded under the MMWA. I might suggest that one not expect to get much mileage out of that act in this case. You seem to allude to the same in the examples you provide further down.