If Harley is anything like GM, the dealer will be directed by HD to download the data from the ECU and forward it to them for analysis. The dealer has no incentive to refuse a warranty claim and HD knows this. They make money either from you or HD. With GM the request is only issued if a motor or transmission fails. GM doesn't have the time to review all drive train warranty claims so they only review major failures. Since you may be experiencing sumping and since it is becoming a common issue with the M8, if you remove potential violations before going to the dealer for service, HD probably won't dig too deep if a claim becomes necessary. Especially if the dealer vouches for you.

I would get to the dealer asap and establish that you have a problem. That way, if you fry your motor, you are on record as having a known issue and a warranty claim should be successful. Good luck!

 

Based on the overt failures experienced here, I'm fairly certain the dealer will be referring this on to HD. Especially with this being a new softail with the M8 which they are still working the bugs out of. At the least, he needs to make everything bone-stock again to hopefully keep his warranty intact by making the dealer believe he did nothing to it. Doesn't sound like the most practical or realistic situation overall and for the engine to fail like this being "completely stock" is an even less realistic scenario. It will likely be referred on and they will find out about the FP3.

 

 

Possibly sumping?

 

Where do I get this information? Well... I can read. Can you? I've applied that skill set to the actual warranty contract. It's written in unambiguous English. You might want to try giving it a whirl.

With that in mind... I don't give a **** about your personal experience or whatever half *** anecdotal evidence you may have. None of it means a damn thing legally. Neither does what a dealer says. What matters legally is what's in that warranty contract between the end customer and Harley Davidson (has nothing to do with the dealer).

What any dealer does, or even what HD chooses to do, or not to do, or has done, or not done, in any particular case is immaterial. What HD can do - as spelled out in that warranty - should they chose to exercise any of their options in that contract is all that really matters - particularly to anyone that wants to keep the warranty coverage intact.

That warranty contract states - in no uncertain terms - that either of these items can void the warranty. Period. If you attempt to read the warranty, and your lack of reading comprehension prevents you from getting the picture, well that's on you.

When it comes to advising somebody about "Spreading dumb made up misinformation", I suggest you might want to go look into a mirror.

 

Subscribed to see how this pans out for you. Hopefully your bike repair is covered and you are back on two wheels soon! Good Luck!!

 

Two issues with your anecdote. Pre-M8 engines have a long history of Harley ignoring tuner and pipe changes because they were part and parcel in the game of doing it and got busted for it. Now they have a higher burden of not supporting it and have more leverage from those findings to justify termination of a warranty. There are clear statements in the M8 forum by 2017 tourers who have stated big harley invalidated their warranty for making such changes.

Second: the fact that they didn't invalidate your warranty because of a stuck throttle is clear. It isn't something that can be caused by changes to your ECM or by changing pipes.

But note Jessica Sinclair had an engine failure of even her pre-m8 breakout and Harley invalidated hers based on her "quiet baffles" (even though she told us she was also drag racing). This guy had an engine failure regardless of the technicality of what part of the engine (transmission, etc) it started. This is by all evidence a brand new bike with an engine that is new by harley standards. The moco as a whole would (or shoud) be super interested in this and figuring out why it happened. They also have broad latitude to make any statement they want on whether that component will or won't be negatively affected by a flashed ECM. Most people won't have the cash to lawyer up and fight it and certainly won't have the expertise to be able to refute their claims.

It all comes down to comfort. If you want to swap these parts on a new engine Harley, you should probably be comfortable with footing the bill for a new engine or making the repairs yourself and not be reliant on a warranty. If you aren't, then stick with the terms and don't be worried about how much you hate the pipe's look/sound of the bike you chose to spend up to $20,000 on.

 

cool story there Scooter. I ride with lots of people with 2017 or later bikes, modded, and no one I know has ever had their claim denied.....And yes I'm aware of what the warranty says as well as what the EPA settlement consent decree says. What actually matters is whether or not HD is actually putting it into practice...which they're not.

But again, I'll post a pic later this week of my 0 bill and then you can STFU with your stupid bullshit.

 

 

I'll be interested to see how this plays out. But if people were willing to put their thoughts to the test, then they would be telling the OP to get that bike in completely altered and to let the chips fall where they may. Yet most here are suggesting he try to mask the alterations and lie about his own choices. Stand up people when money's concerned.